KVR Audio

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:03 pm

3300 is the most interesting one to model, of course.

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:16 pm

fmr wrote:Ah... The PS-3300 . Such an original synth. I can't understand why nobody did pick this one yet. So many Prophets and Moogs emulated, even the MS series, and none of these Korg masterpieces

Yeah, great machine.

Ranks right up there with the GX-1 on my list of synths id really like to get my hands on for a weekend or two.

As to emulation, i think it highly unlikely that we will ever see something even halfways close to the character of the real thing. After all youd need a unit for reference, and considering how rare and old the thing is, finding one at all is already difficult enough, and finding one thats not already consisting of 50% or more replacement parts, (in other words a unit in mint original condition that still works and sounds like it did on release), is probably less likely than winning the lottery.

Our best chance/hope would probably be KORG itself. But since it would no doubt be a mega-endeavour to re-develop this thing in software in such a way that the endresult could really be called an 'accurate representation of the real machine', i dont think the likelihood of this ever happening is much greater. Thus it will probably remain a dream that wont come true...

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:00 pm

Korg PS-3300 was a paraphonic?

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:03 pm

ENV1 wrote:
fmr wrote:Ah... The PS-3300 . Such an original synth. I can't understand why nobody did pick this one yet. So many Prophets and Moogs emulated, even the MS series, and none of these Korg masterpieces
Yeah, great machine.

Ranks right up there with the GX-1 on my list of synths id really like to get my hands on for a weekend or two.

As to emulation, i think it highly unlikely that we will ever see something even halfways close to the character of the real thing. After all youd need a unit for reference, and considering how rare and old the thing is, finding one at all is already difficult enough, and finding one thats not already consisting of 50% or more replacement parts, (in other words a unit in mint original condition that still works and sounds like it did on release), is probably less likely than winning the lottery.

Our best chance/hope would probably be KORG itself. But since it would no doubt be a mega-endeavour to re-develop this thing in software in such a way that the endresult could really be called an 'accurate representation of the real machine', i dont think the likelihood of this ever happening is much greater. Thus it will probably remain a dream that wont come true...

You're such a drem eater

Unfortunately, you're right, I know, but I still think that if a user would be kind enough (and is interested enough) to loan a unit to a developer, we could have something. Even if it is not 100% mint, the developer would have the circuits to check, analyze, test and emulate. As I said, a PS-3100 could do the trick as the PS-30300 is basically three PS-3100 (not exactly true, but you know what I mean.

Of course, having the options of the PS-3200 would be a bonus, but what the hell, I'm in to ANYTHING that' brought to the table in this subject, even if it is just at 80% fidelity. I would gladly trade an 80% PS-3300 for a 100% Prophet-5 or Memorymoog or whatever. I'm already filled with these - what I seek is something NEW, not more variations on the same theme.

I just touched one of these once, when I was very young (in my last teens) in a local store. It was just once, but it's recorded in fire in my brain. Something I will never forget. The same happened with the Korg Trident (which I don't even remember if it was Mk I or Mk II). At that time, I used to visit the stores just to be able to touch synths like these and dream on.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:05 pm

electro wrote:Korg PS-3300 was a paraphonic?

AFAIK, not in the same sense of others like the Polymoog. It's more an octave divider. Besides, each module is a complete synth on it's own, as I said.

I think this arctile clarifies a little the differences between the concepts: https://github.com/micjamking/synth-sec ... part-21.md

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:09 pm

fmr wrote: Actually, I think the architecture is even more complex than what you are saying: http://secretlifeofsynthesizers.com/kor ... polysynth/

Great article. Always nice to see open-chassis pictures.

Here they state: "Each of the three synth modules consists of two tone generator boards that produce the raw waveforms for the oscillators. Each board produces a half octave of notes for the top octave of the keyboard that are then successively divided down to cover all of the other octaves."

This is somewhat contrary to what ive read in an article about the 3100 with the 3300 as a sub-topic, (where they stated that one module has 6 voice boards with 2 voices each for a total of 12), still im inclined to believe that what SLOS say is accurate since that person appears to be familiar with the boards and the schematics.

Anyrate, good read about a great synth. A shame theyve only produced so few of them.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:32 pm

Regarding the servicing, the article writer said" "As mentioned earlier the PS-3300 is a relatively simple machine to service and diagnose, like a mixing console there is a modest amount of circuitry with a lot of duplication. Most of it’s electronic components are still available, the Korg 35 filter modules are really the only parts that are rare and these are simple and reliable and so rarely fail."

So, restoring a unit to mint condition may not be as difficult as we could think, due to its age and rareness.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:43 pm

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:46 pm

Kobol as such has nothing to do with Korg's PS series we've started to talk about here...

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:53 pm

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:56 pm

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:57 pm

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:06 pm

Sorry. I had no intention to take over the topic, and will not derail it anymore. I just posted because the PS-3300 was mentioned. I'm out

Chris-S · Post by **Chris-S** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:23 pm

@AnX: +1

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:18 pm

after taking a few hours off from rthis thread I just deleted 2 of my last posts that seemed to be too much off topic.

For the records this was my last post before the discussion about the Korg synths started and IMO this was mostly on topic (at least i tried to combine the use of the poly feature in The Legend with the discussion about the Memorymoog):

Ingonator wrote:
AnX wrote:...but enough of the bollox...and now back to the o.p.

Legend vst...
Speaking about both The Legend and Memorymoog there is one of m factory presets called "Memory Brass IW" in the Poly sub-folder. While not intended as a proper replication it is inspired by the Memorymoog.
From the vintage analog polysynths the Memorymoog was the only one with 3 Oscs and with The Legend (and some other Minimoog emulations also including e.g. Diva which additionally adds Sync and morphable Oscs in the Minimoog Oscs) you could get this too. Recently also the PolyKB III plugin was released that adds a 3rd morphable Osc which in that way (opposing to the VERY rare Polykobol 2) never existed as a hardware synth (like the multimode filter added with this major update). Besides the 3 Oscs the sound seems to be really different. I was not able to get really similar sounds with The Legend and PolyKB III at comparable settings.

As mentioend above the polyphonic Minimoog is not exactly like a Memorymoog but it could sound really great and super fat on it's own. The fact that in the poly mode of The Legend you could also set the stereo width is another great addition.

The Legend opposing to a real Mini and also the Memorymoog also includes a 2-Pole (12dB/oct) filter mode that could be very useful and could get you more "oberheimish" sounds. My other poly Brass sound in the factory content called "Fat Poly Brass IW" uses the 12dB filter mode. In that preset the volume of the 3rd soc is set to 0 but it is activated and you coudl dial this in to get an even fatter sound (Osc 3 is set one octave lower than Osc 1+2). If you like you could also increase the stereo spread which is at a small amount in that preset.

One of the features of the Memorymoog that could not be emulated in a polyphonic Mini (besides e.g. Osc Sync, PWM, audio rate PWM etc.) is using up to 9 waveforms in a single voice as in the Memorymoog like in a Prophet 5 you could switch on all waveforms at once.

UPDATE:
Here is an updated version of my "Fat Poly Brass IW" factory preset for The Legend with Osc 3 dialed in (at a volume of 7.00) and the stereo spread slightly increased (to 2.00):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 2%20IW.zip

In Windows the preset files are found at:
C:\Users\Your Name\Documents\Synapse Audio\Legend\Soundbanks
You could create your own folders there that then should appear in the list at the GUI.

Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!