Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[Ingonator]

PWM

You can do it on The Legend, you just need to LFO modulate 2 [edit] opposite ramp saw oscillators against each other using your DAW. [edit] Which i see is impossible on this plugin... Got it confused with some other Model D emulation.

Will only work on one voice per The Legend instance though, so it will also need the polyphony trick we talked about earlier.

Diva has wave morph and Sync in the 3 Osc module but before i do patches there i give a try with The Legend, without using PWM and Sync.

I found that the envelope values in the Memorymoog patch sheets seem to be a bit strange. Currently i try to replicate the BRASS 1 patch and like replicating patches on other synths taht are no direct emulations especially the envelopes need quite a lot of tweaking. At the moment the audio demo seems to be more helpful there than the patch sheet while the patch sheet of course is a good starting point.
The envelopes in the Mini and Memorymoog do not seem to be similar anyway. Actually only the filter sems to be directly comparable.

Concerning Synth Brass presets (which are the first i give a try) the Memorymoog factory bank seems to contain 10 dedicated presets called BRASS 1 up to BRASS 10.

BTW that "trick" you mentioned does still not work here. I prefer using synths with a dedicated poly mode for this anyway (like e.g. The Legend or Diva). Since i got The Legend also using the polyphonic workaround for Monark does no longer make much sense for me.

[Ingonator]

I just found the manual for the Memorymoog that also includes all patch sheets for the factory presets:
http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/memorymoog/mm_users.pdf
UPDATE:
A PDF that only contains the Memorymoog pathch sheets without the rest of the manual:
http://www.cyborgstudio.com/synthmp3s/m ... charts.pdf

My first approach of the BRASS 1 preset from the Memorymoog patch sheets in the manual as a preset file (+.fxp) for The Legend:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 1%20IW.zip

This is based on using 3 detuned Saws which makes it special compared to most other real analog polysynths (besides combining 3 Oscs with a Moog filter which is another story...).


An audio demo of the original preset is found here:
http://www.synthmania.com/Moog%20Memory ... ss%201.mp3

Maybe not 100% nailed yet but close enough for me so far, especially for a first attempt. How far it is even possible to emulate this 100% is another story as the synth engines are not identical (while the filters in both seem to be very close).

The Memorymoog factory bank contains at least 9 more dedicated Synth Brass sounds. At a first look on the patch sheets those should be mostly possible to be done in The Legend while with some there could be problems. Anyway only some of them use 3 detuned Saws like in the one posted above (some even use a single Saw).

[AnX]

The Memorymoog factory bank contains at least 9 more dedicated Synth Brass sounds.

[fluffy_little_something]

While the filter of the Memorymoog sounds nice, that brass patch seems rather bland and simple. And not very brassy, probably because of the boring envelope settings. More like a pad

[Ingonator]

While the filter of the Memorymoog sounds nice, that brass patch seems rather bland and simple. And not very brassy, probably because of the boring envelope settings. More like a pad

So have you actually checked the patch i posted for The Legend or only listened to the audio demo from the Memorymoog?

Well if you compare to an acoustic brass you are maybe right but that's not what that kind os Synth Brass sounds is about. The term "Synth Brass" is normally used for brass like sounds why they do not have to sounds like a real brass like e.g. a trumpet, trombone etc.

In that specific patch the filter envelope attack and decay are indeed longer as in usual Synth Brasses and this is indeed more suitable to be played like a "brassy" pad than playing fast notes with it. If you want it faster then in the patch for The Legend you could try values like e.g. 350 to 400 ms for the filter attack and 600 ms for the decay and maybe also reduce the amp envelope release.
The filter envelope attack and decay are mostly the most important parameters to get a brass like sound and the value for the attack i usually quite high. If you set the attack to a very low value or even to 0 it no longer really "brass like". Usually also the filter envelope amount is quite high (around 75%-90%) while with lower values you get a soft and/or more "horn" like sound. For a typical horn sound normally only a single
Independent of how it sounds compared to a real brass that one sounds sound great for my taste.

Also due to the high filter envelope amount the Cutoff should not be too high and in this patch it is actually set to 0.

If it is "simple" and "boring" is another story and i do not agree. Besides that a nice sounding patch does not have to be super complex.
Concerning Synth Brass sound a few things are important to make it sound the way it should which is not that simple if you do not know how to do it.

[EnGee]

I hopped that the support would grant me few days to the expired demo to check some things before buying it, so I wrote to the support few days ago, but there is no answer at all! Not even a decline!

Oh well, I think I'll pass then

[fluffy_little_something]

I hopped that the support would grant me few days to the expired demo to check some things before buying it, so I wrote to the support few days ago, but there is no answer at all! Not even a decline!

Oh well, I think I'll pass then

Would be better to reduce the noise-free demo period from 4 to 2 weeks and from then on, like with other plugins, periodic bursts of white noise or silence till the end of time...

[jpga]

Love it,,.

[Ingonator]

I just found the manual for the Memorymoog that also includes all patch sheets for the factory presets:
http://www.retrosynth.com/docs/memorymoog/mm_users.pdf
UPDATE:
A PDF that only contains the Memorymoog pathch sheets without the rest of the manual:
http://www.cyborgstudio.com/synthmp3s/m ... charts.pdf

My first approach of the BRASS 1 preset from the Memorymoog patch sheets in the manual as a preset file (+.fxp) for The Legend:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 1%20IW.zip

This is based on using 3 detuned Saws which makes it special compared to most other real analog polysynths (besides combining 3 Oscs with a Moog filter which is another story...).


An audio demo of the original preset is found here:
http://www.synthmania.com/Moog%20Memory ... ss%201.mp3

Maybe not 100% nailed yet but close enough for me so far, especially for a first attempt. How far it is even possible to emulate this 100% is another story as the synth engines are not identical (while the filters in both seem to be very close).

The Memorymoog factory bank contains at least 9 more dedicated Synth Brass sounds. At a first look on the patch sheets those should be mostly possible to be done in The Legend while with some there could be problems. Anyway only some of them use 3 detuned Saws like in the one posted above (some even use a single Saw).

Here is a collection of 11 Synth Brass presets for The Legend:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... ts%201.zip

The patches "Memo Brass 01 IW" to "Memo Brass 10 IW" are based on 9 patch sheets in the Memorymog manual (see the link posted above and at the previous page). Only the first of them called "Memo Brass 01 IW" that was alraedy posted earlier at this page is actually corrected/tweaked using an audio demo of the real thing. The others are more or less "interpolated" based on the values used in that first one so i have no clue how close those other 8 sound. At the moment i have no option to check those and if this changes i will maybe post an update. Even if currently most of those are maybe no proper replications i hope a few of those could be useful for some of you. Of course you are free to create your own variations of those patches.

The patch "Memo Brass 11 IW" is based on the first one but with shorter values for the filter attack + decay and also the release times.

The patch "Fat Polly Brass 3 IW" is based on one of my own factory presets but has a few changes.

I will not post audio demos as those who are interested in those should check them in the plugin themselves and not just listen to audio demos while ignoring the actual patches for The Legend.

[fluffy_little_something]

While the filter of the Memorymoog sounds nice, that brass patch seems rather bland and simple. And not very brassy, probably because of the boring envelope settings. More like a pad

So have you actually checked the patch i posted for The Legend or only listened to the audio demo from the Memorymoog?

Well if you compare to an acoustic brass you are maybe right but that's not what that kind os Synth Brass sounds is about. The term "Synth Brass" is normally used for brass like sounds why they do not have to sounds like a real brass like e.g. a trumpet, trombone etc.

In that specific patch the filter envelope attack and decay are indeed longer as in usual Synth Brasses and this is indeed more suitable to be played like a "brassy" pad than playing fast notes with it. If you want it faster then in the patch for The Legend you could try values like e.g. 350 to 400 ms for the filter attack and 600 ms for the decay and maybe also reduce the amp envelope release.
The filter envelope attack and decay are mostly the most important parameters to get a brass like sound and the value for the attack i usually quite high. If you set the attack to a very low value or even to 0 it no longer really "brass like". Usually also the filter envelope amount is quite high (around 75%-90%) while with lower values you get a soft and/or more "horn" like sound. For a typical horn sound normally only a single
Independent of how it sounds compared to a real brass that one sounds sound great for my taste.

Also due to the high filter envelope amount the Cutoff should not be too high and in this patch it is actually set to 0.

If it is "simple" and "boring" is another story and i do not agree. Besides that a nice sounding patch does not have to be super complex.
Concerning Synth Brass sound a few things are important to make it sound the way it should which is not that simple if you do not know how to do it.

Yes, and a short release is also important, but not zero like so many people do it

Of course not, I don't like complex sounds, anyway. But I think brass should sound a bit funky, to clearly set it apart from string pads.
I like them more or less like this, although this one is too bright, forgot to turn off the velocity
https://app.box.com/s/563n23l9v9fo1n8gqevs1ybqqzklkw0v
A good chorus can add something, depending on whether the synth sounds nice dry. Sometimes it is nice to have the sizzle of the raw saw (especially on hardware synths), which gets washed away by the chorus, though.

[Ingonator]

Yes, and a short release is also important, but not zero like so many people do it

Well how a certain sound should sound for you is a matter of taste.

Anyway i just posted a collection of 11 Brass presets and one of them is a vaeriation of that i alraedy posted with sorter attack and decay for teh filter and a shorter release too (also see the description above).

If the envelope values are too long for your taste you are of course free to do your own variations or create you own Brass patches from scratch.

A special thing about Synth Brass patches in both The Legend and Memorymoog is that you could use up to 3 detuned Oscs (while not all patches just posted above do also use this) and in The Legend you could add stereo spread with the Poly mode. You could also use Unison mode to get up to 12 Oscs playing at once.

[fluffy_little_something]

Well how a certain sound should sound for you is a matter of taste.

Anyway i just posted a collection of 11 Brass presets and one of them is a vaeriation of that i alraedy posted with sorter attack and decay for teh filter and a shorter release too (also see the description above).

If the envelope values are too long for your taste you are of course free to do your own variations or create you own Brass patches from scratch.

I don't think so. Setting release to zero is not just a matter of taste because it leads to an ugly knocking backlash sound. Or maybe it confirms bad taste

I can't check your patches as my demo version has already expired...

[fluffy_little_something]

A special thing about Synth Brass patches in both The Legend and Memorymoog is that you could use up to 3 detuned Oscs (while not all patches just posted above do also use this) and in The Legend you could add stereo spread with the Poly mode. You could also use Unison mode to get up to 12 Oscs playing at once.

Since you added that to your previous post, what's special about three oscillators these days? Most any quality synth has 3 or more, with detuning, stacking/unison etc.

[Yorrrrrr]

*sigh...

KVRaudio is a strange place.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Thanks for sharing Ingo!