I'm pleased about the fades/crossfades. In terms of mundane tasks, that is what I was missing most.SLiC wrote:So what? If you don't think it's worth it don't upgrade or buy it.
Can we talk about the new features, not the cost, it's getting really dull.
Yes, there may be a few paradigm shifts hidden in this update regarding modulation, I suspect when the beta/demo is available more people will be talking about the music and the possibilities. I love the idea of using the adsr yo open filters on my modulatbhardware and software instruments and fx etc, could really unify hardware and software within a DAW to have common ADSR, LfO and all those other fun looking modulators.pdxindy wrote:I'm pleased about the fades/crossfades. In terms of mundane tasks, that is what I was missing most.SLiC wrote:So what? If you don't think it's worth it don't upgrade or buy it.
Can we talk about the new features, not the cost, it's getting really dull.
The thing that intrigues me is the new modulation and that some of it can be polyphonic! That was my biggest wish was a move towards flexible polyphonic modulation.
Please elaborate; what are the rumoured USB>CV interfaces?SLiC wrote:Yup- As a eurorack user the CV out stuff looks interesting, there is already the ES-8 but also rumours of other USB- CV output devices for use with software like Reactor and BWS
They are just using semantics here to confuse, a normal license in the DAW world does not run out after 12 months, that is where it enters the subscription world, call it a hybrid. In looking at the threads this seems to be the bone of contention. I think this is a step too far YMMV. Why they decided to do this is baffling as it could only cause trouble.pdxindy wrote:
It is not a subscription model cause when the time runs out I can keep using the software as long as I want without paying. If I keep my audio computer as is and do not do OS updates, I could run Bitwig for years without any additional cost. As long as I have that option, I do not care so much about the manner in which I am asked to pay for improvements... cause the choice of when to do so is in my hands.
Agree. Whether it "feels" more like a subscription or not will be more based on how often they may or may not retroactively push bug fixes back to expired contracts. That could become a bit of a mess, having multiple internal versions active on multiple forks.call it a hybrid
This is the major reason for all the turmoil in every major forums on the Internet.woodsdenis wrote:why have this 12 month limit.
I cant remember where I read it, either slutz or NI forum when Reactor introduced CV out blocks there was 'talk' of a N.I. box with CV out. Midi to CV obviously exists as does ADAT to CV etc via expert sleepers, but USB output to CV seems like a pretty straightforward deal to me (USB audio to CV rathr than USB midi to CV for the resolution) and we have that now with the ES-8 (which is USB to CV in/out, but no windows drivers yet Doh!!)atukao wrote:Please elaborate; what are the rumoured USB>CV interfaces?SLiC wrote:Yup- As a eurorack user the CV out stuff looks interesting, there is already the ES-8 but also rumours of other USB- CV output devices for use with software like Reactor and BWS
Thanks, good to know.SLiC wrote:I cant remember where I read it, either slutz or NI forum when Reactor introduced CV out blocks there was 'talk' of a N.I. box with CV out. Midi to CV obviously exists as does ADAT to CV etc via expert sleepers, but USB output to CV seems like a pretty straightforward deal to me (USB audio to CV rathr than USB midi to CV for the resolution) and we have that now with the ES-8 (which is USB to CV in/out, but no windows drivers yet Doh!!)
Yes, but they typically have a voltage range of +/-3v max. A dedicated CV interface should have a range of +/-5v at least. My ES-6 has a range of +/-10v.rod_zero wrote:Some interfaces audio outputs can be used for CV signals, they a database at muff.
Windows 10 class compliment USB 2 audio has been included in the latest development update (you can try it now, put its currently playback only). Hopefully we will soon have class compliant USB 2 and be able to agrigate audio interfaces in Windows!justin3am wrote:Yes, but they typically have a voltage range of +/-3v max. A dedicated CV interface should have a range of +/-5v at least. My ES-6 has a range of +/-10v.rod_zero wrote:Some interfaces audio outputs can be used for CV signals, they a database at muff.
I believe the issue with the ES-8 is that it's a class compliant USB2 audio interface. While Apple has implemented support for class compliant USB2 interfaces Microsoft has not. Windows only supports class compliant USB1.1 audio/MIDI devices.
So I've read. Sounds promising!SLiC wrote:Windows 10 class compliment USB 2 audio has been included in the latest development update (you can try it now, put its currently playback only). Hopefully we will soon have class compliant USB 2 and be able to agrigate audio interfaces in Windows!
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