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aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:36 pm

That's true - one of the reasons why I often use Bitwig more for finished projects, but I use Tracktion as my sketchpad as it's the quickest way from brain to recording.

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:36 pm

killmaster · Post by **killmaster** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:37 pm

This is the order for me ( I use all of these ):

1) Studio One 3
2) Tracktion
3) Bitwig
4) Logic / Reason / Live (equal amounts of humanness)
5) Cubase

but, I do think they all are "human" in their own way, maybe except for Cubase, with the exception of the marvelous chord track and chord assistant tools. And the great "MPE" implementation with note expression. Many things are so overly complicated and kludgy and feel dragged along.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:41 pm

Studio One is very intuitive for me. And it doesn't overwhelm you with loads of options. Just set up your audio interface, set up your plugin folders, done, pretty much. It lets you choose to install the contents which comes with it too, so, if you can't be arsed with having gigabytes of stuff you won't use anyway, you don't have to install, or even download it. I must say though that i prefer traditional band recorder style DAW's like Cubase and, Studio One. If that's your kind of thing, you should check it out. Gets sold frequently in the Sell & Buy forums here (no, not because it sucks

).

Aliens · Post by **Aliens** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:44 pm

Not saying that's the case here, but I'm of the opinion that, for some hobbyists, the tools they use are not even remotely the main problem, but more an excuse to justify or explain away the poor or unsatisfying end results.

Instead of reaching for a new implement, are you sure practice, dedication and application won't ultimately give you long term satisfaction?

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:46 pm

Whatever these guys used to record this record?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s1ysoohV_zA

CTStump · Post by **CTStump** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:49 pm

aMUSEd wrote: Never got into Renoise, have tried to get it several times but I just don't know where to even start with it - to me trackers seem the least human - sort of like overcomplicated spreadsheets meet the matrix.

I never understand why Renoise is offered as a solution unless your an "Old Nerd" it is no way intuitive. There is always someone who throws that into these threads thinking it's the "Cat's meow" oh no I'm NOT trying to bring on the pic's but you really have to admire these people and their unending devotion to vertical trackers.

As had been said Tracktion 5 free is great, it's unlimited and supports VST's and VSTi's. For those who work from left to right and on the horizontal plane it's great and even has arrows pointing to the single flow(filters, vst, input and out) not to mention modular racks. Just remember to download the manual if your offline.

Good luck with whatever you go for.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:57 pm

I'm surprised the daw that shall not be mentioned has not been mentioned yet.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:57 pm

CTStump wrote:
aMUSEd wrote: Never got into Renoise, have tried to get it several times but I just don't know where to even start with it - to me trackers seem the least human - sort of like overcomplicated spreadsheets meet the matrix.
I never understand why Renoise is offered as a solution unless your an "Old Nerd" it is no way intuitive. There is always someone who throws that into these threads thinking it's the "Cat's meow" oh no I'm NOT trying to bring on the pic's but you really have to admire these people and their unending devotion to vertical trackers.

+1

This depends so much on what one means by "human." I think for people used to a hardware studio it's hard to get more natural than Reason. I also like Reason for that balance between linear and pattern based work. I still haven't found anything better than blocks for quickly laying out a track. I don't think that Live comes anywhere close in terms of feeling natural, unless, all of your work is in terms of patterns.

I still use Reaper the most, but Cubase is taking back over again.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:58 pm

keyman_sam wrote:I'm surprised the daw that shall not be mentioned has not been mentioned yet.

DubTurbo?

fluffy_little_something · Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:59 pm

Aliens wrote:Not saying that's the case here, but I'm of the opinion that, for some hobbyists, the tools they use are not even remotely the main problem, but more an excuse to justify or explain away the poor or unsatisfying end results.

Instead of reaching for a new implement, are you sure practice, dedication and application won't ultimately give you long term satisfaction?

Definitely. And I am aware of it.
But when I don't even feel like opening the DAW anymore, how can I practice?

fluffy_little_something · Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:01 pm

Damn, Live demo is about 1GB because they bundle audio content. I don't need that...

Aliens · Post by **Aliens** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:01 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote: Definitely. And I am aware of it.
But when I don't even feel like opening the DAW anymore, how can I practice?

Savihost and shortcuts on your desktop.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:02 pm

TBH, i couldn't work with MuLab either. Took a look at it, didn't get the workflow, didn't like the toyish look, and stopped looking at it again. IMO, there is a reason that it's more of a "secret tip of DAW's".

swatwork · Post by **swatwork** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:04 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I still have Mixcraft as a second DAW, but I don't like all the 32-bit junk it installs. The fonts in the browser are so small I can't read stuff.

You can always delete those plugins, it has full support for 64-bit, VST2 and VST3 now so providing alternatives shouldn't be a problem.

As regards the browser, do you mean this?

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DAW with a "human" workflow?