Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[Teksonik]

not the easiest synth to make libraries for because of these limitations.

Anyway a Mod Matrix was requested but was not in the design plan. If you're buying it just to sell patches I think you are wasting your time. I doubt many people will buy patches for such an easy to program synth.

If you're buying it because it sounds awesome and is fun to play then you're definitely not wasting your money...

[wagtunes]

not the easiest synth to make libraries for because of these limitations.

Anyway a Mod Matrix was requested but was not in the design plan. If you're buying it just to sell patches I think you are wasting your time. I doubt many people will buy patches for such an easy to program synth.

If you're buying it because it sounds awesome and is fun to play then you're definitely not wasting your money...

Yeah, I get that and pretty much what I figured. And yes, it does sound awesome. IMO, it sounds better than Monark. Forget about the Arturia version. It's not even in the ball park. The filter on this thing is off the charts amazing.

I will probably still get it for personal use.

[Teksonik]

I've been having a lot of fun putting the free version of the new HY-SEQ16X3 Sequencer plugin in front of The Legend. Tons of Analog Fun.

[EnGee]

I've been having a lot of fun putting the free version of the new HY-SEQ16X3 Sequencer plugin in front of The Legend. Tons of Analog Fun.

Thank you for mentioning this! I have been looking for a nice step sequencer. I might even buy the full version as it has a very reasonable price of $28

[Ingonator]

Currently with advanced faetures like e.g. 4 voice polyphony, 4 voice Unison (monophonic), 12dB LPF, 12d/24dB BPF, aftertouch suport for mod amound or Cutoff, velocity support for volume or Cutoff and Delay/Reverb effects there is alraedy a lot that is possible compared to the original Minimoog Model D. Not to forget that you save/load patches including the mod amount which was not possible in the real thing (and also the new reissue). Besides that the Glide/Portamento also works with the poly mode.

Of course the FX version of The Legend should be mentioend too as a major new feature (which with an additional MIDI track routed to it could act lie a complete synth).

As mentioned earlier an analog 24dB BPF like included in The Legend now seems to be quite rare with vintage synths.

Besides that it is possible that that there will be more additional features in the future.

[wagtunes]

AnX is right. The Soundware, Effects, etc. subforums exist for a reason. This place will quickly turn into a mess if everyone starts flooding Instruments. Respect the rules, folks.

Except everybody's interpretation of the rules is different, including the actual moderators of this forum.

Case in point. There have been complaints from various members about other members posting Soundcloud clips of sounds of a particular synth that was the topic of discussion in order for those interested in hearing what the synth sounds like to actually do so without having to go hunting for sound demos.

The mods have ruled that so long as no sales links to libraries are posted, this is absolutely acceptable. I know, because I was the one who was the subject of the complaint and upon going to the mods and pointing out all the other members who were doing the same thing and allowed to do so, it was then ruled that this was an acceptable practice.

Here again, in a thread where we are discussing a particular synth, Ingo is simply giving, out of the goodness of his heart, patches that people can use who have either bought or are maybe thinking of buying the synth. Again, if I need to go to a moderator for verification that this is perfectly acceptable, as opposed to actually starting a thread here saying "Hey, here's some Legend sounds for everybody" which he has clearly not done, I will do so. But I assure you, the mods will have no problem with this.

Now, if you don't like the rules as they are applied, then petition that they be changed. Get enough members to sign it. Outline exactly what you want to see banned in this sub forum.

For example.

NO Soundcloud links other than in the OSC challenge thread

NO posting of any soundware links even if they are free

And so on.

Present this to the forum with enough backing behind it and you might see the "rules" changed.

And should that happen, don't be surprised to find that participation here drops significantly. It is because this forum isn't run like a concentration camp that people in general actually enjoy coming here.

Your choice.

Just be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

[PAK]

Regarding the emulation, I think there's maybe some areas Monark arguably does better - specifically Motion, the perception of envelope "punch", and feedback. Feedback isn't just for ugly squawk sounds btw - it's useful to tame resonance and help add some "knock" (think knuckles on wooden desk) into the attack stage.

I only had a short while with the Legend demo before it expired last year, and only got time to try to figure where my perception differences for the oscillators motion was coming from. I don't mean in terms of pitch / detune btw, but the phase / filter movement.

Monark's movement cycle appears slower, and seems to linger more at certain in-phase points, perhaps helping create a larger perception of contrast in movement when it then steps back through the motion again. Whereas Legend appears to follow more of a consistent sine-style pattern to the movement.

Despite having the best filter-knob calibration settings of any of the Mini emulations, Legend didn't appear to provide any control over this(?), whereas Monark does provide a "Filter Drift" setting on its second page.

It's easier to demonstrate what this actually does, on Monark, than try to describe further..
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/375 ... At_14s.mp3

The first bit is with Monark's Filter Drift set to the minimum setting, the second with it set to max. Notice the difference? And yes, it's a bit counter-intuitive, since you'd maybe expect the max setting to be more noticeable rather than less. The second example (max) has a slower cycle, which will make it seem like less motion in most situations since you'd need to sustain the note for longer.

It seems surprising to go 100 pages without anyone(?) posting about this difference, which is important IMO. Or, at least, I think it'd be very valuable to have more control of this, and maybe even provide for more extreme settings in Legend.

Of course, it's something that hardware analogue synths tried desperately to avoid. But I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes when it sounds like the oscillators are trying to turn themselves inside out? Especially if it can be an optional calibration setting, rather than something you're permanently stuck with on hardware

Calibration wise, it would also be nice to have a bit more control of the curve shapes than just a knob morph from linear, and some curve control for glide (as well as envelopes? ). It'd also be a nice touch to replace the two static pictures with a single display of the actual shape which is being applied..

Just some thoughts anyway. Meant to post them earlier whilst I was using the demo..

[Richard_Synapse]

One more thing I forgot to mention about the update- the trial period is reset with the v1.1 update. A couple people asked in the past months if they could try again, so here's a chance to do so

Richard

[Ingonator]

Calibration wise, it would also be nice to have a bit more control of the curve shapes than just a knob morph from linear, and some curve control for glide (as well as envelopes? ). It'd also be a nice touch to replace the two static pictures with a single display of the actual shape which is being applied..

The curve at the back panel of The Legend is for adusting the behavior of the mod amount fader and/or Modwheel control.
With the "Pitch range" and "Cutoff range" parameters you could further adjust the range of the Osc and Filter modulation.

There is a Drift amount knob for the Oscs and the Osc keytracking parameter could have a bigger influence on the resulting sound too (my favorite value for the Osc keytracking is around 1.30).
The selectable Model Revisons (where "Late" is defaul) have an inluence on e.g. the Osc behavior and the wavespahes and also thefilter coudl sound slightöy different in some cases.

Besides that you have additioanl trimpots to adjust the filter Cutoff, Resoanance and "Symmetry" values for the filter.

If your host support LFO MIDI plugin (like e.g. Live 9 with Max For Live or Bitwig Studio) you could also map a random LFO to some parameters (shoudl work with all automatable parameters).
I had used this to add a little detuning to the "voices"/instances when creating polyphonic Unison from multiple instances of The Legend taht use 4 voice Unison (which is then monophonic).

FWIW in the 4 voice poly mode the voices already include a litle random detune to make it palyable as a proper analog polysynth. Additionally with the Poly-4 mode you also got adjustable stereo width and the Glide/Portamento works too there.

[AnX]

One more thing I forgot to mention about the update- the trial period is reset with the v1.1 update. A couple people asked in the past months if they could try again, so here's a chance to do so

Richard

Good relevant info, thanks

[Ingonator]

I just added my Synth Brass Collection to the "Banks & Patches" page for The Legend at the KVR Plugin database:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/the-leg ... /downloads

In case i decide to delete all Drobox links/files for my free patches i will leave them at least there at the plugin database.

Also wanted to upload the Bandpass patches to the plugin database but i could only upload one bank each 24 hours there (for a single product). Maybe until i could add it there i could add few more new patches...

Due to all the trolling here i already thought about completely removing those from KVR but i thought this would not be fair for those members that are still interested in the patches.

[PAK]

The curve at the back panel of The Legend is for adusting the behavior of the mod amount

I know. That's why I said it would be nice to have control over more things, as well as the shape of the curve. It would even help the mod wheel out to have slightly more control of the slope it follows, and to see the actual shape being applied. But the hope was to allow that control over other things too (like glide, perhaps even envelopes etc)

There is a Drift amount knob for the Oscs and the Osc keytracking parameter

Yes, but those are more closely aligned to the Monark oscillator section and its ABC setting etc. These aren't control over the filter drift itself. Neither is the model revision setting. The point was it doesn't appear to provide this control where Monark does, and that this is an important setting which would be worthy of consideration for adding to an emulation..

I'd actually like to see more control than Monark provides over this stuff, since it's these sorts of differences which tend to differentiate between otherwise quite similar emulations (Monark, Diva, and Legend, are all pretty close to each other a lot of the time..)

Besides that you have additioanl trimpots to adjust the filter Cutoff, Resoanance and "Symmetry" values for the filter.

yes, those are very well done, and help to differentiate Legend from the other emulations. Hopeful we will see more of these sorts of things (either from Legend or from other devs too )

[Ingonator]

Well, due to the masive trolling and/or attacks of both AnX an izonin, that in this way i am not sure if i ever experienced it before, i decided to give up.

I deleted all Dropbox files/and or links for my free patches and also locked the thread in the Soundware forum.

The Synth Brass Collection as mentioend above was added to the coresponding page at the KVR Plugin database:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/the-leg ... /downloads

That link is now also used in the locked thread.

I also added a link to my free patches at KVR (multiple synths) to my signature.

If i would post additional free patches or updates i will do that at the KVR database without further notification at this thread. If someone wants to discuss those patches he/she could do that but i will think twice if i want to be involved in that discussion.

It is really sad that some like me who want to contribute something useful to this thread including free patches (and that other thread was only done for the free Synth Brass patches...) are attacked in a way that makes this more or less impossible to make serious. This also contained constant attacks to my sound design skills that tried to make me look like an idiot or someone that is not able to create his own patches besides reprogramming patch sheets.

[chk071]

Well, due to the masive trolling and/or attacks of both AnX an izonin, that in this way i am not sure if i ever experienced it before, i decided to give up.

I deleted all Dropbox files/and or links for my free patches and also locked the thread in the Soundware forum.

The Synth Brass Collection as mentioend above was added to the coresponding page at the KVR Plugin database:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/the-leg ... /downloads

That link is now also used in the locked thread.

I also added a link to my free patches at KVR (multiple synths) to my signature.

If i would post additional free patches or updates i will do that at the KVR database without further notification at this thread. If someone wants to discuss those patches he/she could do that but i will think twice if i want to be involved in that discussion.

It is really sad that some like me who want to contribute something useful to this thread including free patches (and that other thread was only done for the free Synth Brass patches...) are attacked in a way that makes this more or less impossible to make serious. This also contained constant attacks to my sound design skills that tried to make me look like an idiot or someone that is not able to create his own patches besides reprogramming patch sheets.

As far as i'm concerned, there's no need for all that. Just consider what i quoted from izonin's post. Imagine we were all sound designers, and everyone would post about his presets in this thread non-stop. There hardly would be any more info in it anymore. That doesn't mean that you are not supposed, or allowed to post about your presets in the trhead you created, or couldn't post some sound examples every now and then here. It's just that it might get a bit excessive, and some people take offense, when there's too few infos, and too much advertising by individuals here. Because that's basically what it is, unless your sound examples should show what the synth is capable off. But there's a pretty thin line, AFAIC, between that, and promoting your potentially commercial presets.

[Chris-S]

One more thing I forgot to mention about the update- the trial period is reset with the v1.1 update. A couple people asked in the past months if they could try again, so here's a chance to do so

Richard

Hi Richard,
is the update already online?
Unfortunately there are no version numbers on the download page.