One-Synth-Challenge: General discussion thread

[Aliens]

Just getting sick of Compyfox and Aliens (I still believe they are the same person anyway)

I believe compyfox is from Germany. I'm from NZ, and I used the email account I got when I signed up with my isp to log in here. That can't be fixed via a proxy and is easily checked by those with access.

So dealing with facts, I'm verifiable, and you, you're still the unknown quantity who tried to make money off fellow kvr members music.
No wonder you try smear tactics to divert attention. And it should be noted that "to steal" is your line, not mine. I said make money from, which your previous posts support. Seriously, don't play the put upon with me unless you can back it up. I'll sniff out and expose the bs easy as you can write it.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter now. You seem to have gotten away with your incompetence, so probably best on your part to quit while you aren't being banished.
I wouldn't trust you or Porter as far as I could spit from now on. That's just the way it is.
As an objective, impartial bystander I've said my piece, warned others off taking part in this, and questioned the motives of an out of the blue 'offer' to assist the masses.
You can now do and say what you like. Caveat emptor mate, caveat emptor

[rghvdberg]

I think this conversation has ran its course. Let's try to move on please.

Lets keep doing what we do best: Make music, be helpful, encouraging, and make every new day a better day.

Sorry, overlooked this.
I try, but I will not have me portrayed as a thief.

Me and my wife have had really rough times. We were almost bankrupt.
We worked really, really hard to get over that.
I started working as a postman on Saturdays.
My wife got up at 4 o'clock in the morning to deliver the newspaper, before she got to her regular job.
We got 3 paper rounds to deliver every week.
We did everything in our power to make an earnest living.

Those days are gone, we have it much better now.
But I have seen my family suffer. Saying to your kids you forgot to buy cola but in reality you couldn't afford it.
And now people accusing me of being a thief ... it's unforgivable.

[Hink]

Hi Compy!

At least you were more creative when trying to make money off other peoples music

Please admin, can we get rid of these posts?

Just getting sick of Compyfox and Aliens (I still believe they are the same person anyway) .

no they are not the same person

[Aliens]

Hi Compy!

At least you were more creative when trying to make money off other peoples music

Please admin, can we get rid of these posts?

Just getting sick of Compyfox and Aliens (I still believe they are the same person anyway) .

no they are not the same person

Thank you very much.

[Aliens]

And now people accusing me of being a thief ... it's unforgivable.

Quote or it didn't happen.

this ?

That implies the incompetence shown by you and porter is being swept under the carpet and has nothing to do with your hollow claim of being called a thief... And you know it.
However, your links to money being made off the contributors music, as stated in some of my posts are on record. So please, no more cola sob stories. Just enjoy your pyrrhic victory and thank your lucky stars that on a forum where piracy is shunned, your actions of moneymaking by re hosting others works without seeking permission have been given the under the rug treatment.

Eg.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=2985#p6679450
Any revenue (if any )will be put back in the OSC for nice prizes.


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=2985#p6690371
Any money made will be put back in the osc for prizes. Think t-shirts, coffee mugs or something like that.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=3000#p6691642
I think you over estimate the money that is being made on these tracks.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=3015#p6692602
I estimate the revenue so low that it's not feasible to pay it back and it will probably cost more in transfer costs.
However we should/might include something that if a track gets over a certain threshold, let's say I dunno $15 - $25, I do split it and pay the artist, if he/she wants that

[Aliens]

I don't accept your apologies, but do acknowledge you made them. But then you had to, really.

[Guenon]

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=2985#p6679450
Any revenue (if any )will be put back in the OSC for nice prizes.


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=2985#p6690371
Any money made will be put back in the osc for prizes. Think t-shirts, coffee mugs or something like that.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=3000#p6691642
I think you over estimate the money that is being made on these tracks.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=301957&start=3015#p6692602
I estimate the revenue so low that it's not feasible to pay it back and it will probably cost more in transfer costs.
However we should/might include something that if a track gets over a certain threshold, let's say I dunno $15 - $25, I do split it and pay the artist, if he/she wants that

This is actually a good summing up of how things went (read the actual posts, beginning with the first one), and imo it's nowhere near warranting the level of outrage you are continuing to pour into this, Aliens.

Rghvdberg, from the first post on, explains what sort of distribution was going to be experimented with, and it's nothing like the huge controversy you are making it to be. You describe it as "actions of moneymaking by rehosting other's works without seeking permission", when it's absolutely clear this was done out of goodwill, and even given the mishap/oversight in making sure to communicate the arrangement better, the actual amount of money received from the experiment will remain purely on a symbolic level instead of amounting to disingenuously scheming to "make money." Insisting on insinuating otherwise seems unfair and over the top.

It's quite obvious by now that this will be communicated better in the future, and everyone involved has agreed on that point.

I think it's a cool addition to kindly offer this option to the top participants of OSC, and I feel bad especially for rghvdberg for him having to receive so much unwarranted indignation over it. Everything's actually okay now, you know.

I don't accept your apologies, but do acknowledge you made them. But then you had to, really.

In my opinion this sort of conduct, given the circumstances, is just plain nasty. Nothing constructive in comments like this, and basically, you're only trying to cause someone to feel worse.

[Compyfox]

Okay - time to hit the breaks, comment on some final accusations, and then I'm done with this.

First and foremost - an apology to rghvdberg.
I'll get into more detail further down below.


Then on with the accusations:
1) no, I'm not writing under another moniker in disguise (don't see a need to even to go that route!). As Alien pointed out, and Hink confirmed - different countries, different IP's. Our writing style is different even.

2) I have to point out once more that I did not "attack" anyone. I were (agreeably) kind of rude on asking "who are you" and "who is in charge" - for this I do apologize (it's just how I write) - but these were valid questions. I'm sometimes not the fastest to realize/understand certain things (could be also due to a language barrier thing) - among them that "this particular community" is considered a "hive-mind" (which causes it's own problem IMO if "one speaks for another" - see below)

3) I merely stated my concerns and point out problems with the "mishap" - then defended my points and how I'd handle it/how it could be handled in a more transparent way. Nothing more, nothing less. As example with the "Mix Challenge" even (which will not go that route, at least not in the foreseeable future) - since the idea/concept of the Challenge is completely different.

4) I do however not apologize for defending myself (and also my off-projects, including the Mix Challenge) from accusations and verbal insults (you know who you are).



Which brings me to this:

Every word you post fuels the hatred by almost all OSC members, you know - so just keep them coming.

First and foremost, with that quote you do admit to speak "at the behest of other users" once again - and that would mean 70+ participants (with several of them being part of other "sub communities" on KVR as well), plus sponsors, cross promoters (from which I am currently one of "still") and staff.

And honestly, with how you (plural) "communicated" up until this point (insults, wild accusations, very rude behavior), you didn't help that much for the "friendly and welcoming image" of the One Synth Challenge in return (which I consider a problem, and which is why I wrote Brian/BJPorter to step in). Especially with the commentary and very rude sub-tone "are you even an OSC member?!", implying that if you're not, you have no word in anything(!) at all and you better not dare speaking up.

That is neither inclusive, nor inviting.
You simply do not(!) do that - that's just not "good business".

I'm not even touching (possible) abuse of trust in this case.

So please... ignore rude old Compyfox (who really only wanted to help), take one step back, read/think about/reconsider what has happened in the last 48 hours, and then ask yourself the following:
"did this work in favor of the One Synth Challenge (Sub-)Community?!".





Now on to the current important stuff.


Once more, apologies to rghvdberg for this mud-fest. Most things I've pointed out have now been addressed - and I already acknowledged that many posts back (with concerns however).

What did not cut through all of this, was a proper announcement (which now happened in here as well). Which in turn resulted in commentary (like mine) like "I still have my concerns" and "if you want to play with a bee's nest - good luck".

So if clearing up all of this happened in the threads at this point. Wonderful. I just checked the official OSC homepage however, but this topic hasn't been addressed there "yet". My hope is, that it will be within reasonable time. Upfront communication is important. And if the recent... "discussion" (which it sadly really wasn't) showed anything - then it's that official announcements and commentary simply vanishes in the flood of heated arguments.


To sum things up - the two most important posts in recent days (IMO):
viewtopic.php?p=6695204#p6695204 (by rghvdberg)
viewtopic.php?p=6694586#p6694586 (by me, with ideas how to maybe properly handle things more transparent in the future)

And now people accusing me of being a thief ... it's unforgivable.

I didn't say you were. I however tried to make you aware of possible repercussions of "going that route" without clearing things in minute detail first. Else you're poking a bee's nest with a stick. This is all I did.

Since this came through in the most wrong way possible, I do apologize. This was not(!) my intention.

Once again: Just to be clear

• It is OPT-IN, only with clearance from the artist I can/will upload the songs.
  There still seems some misunderstanding about that and I can understand that because, initially I have uploaded the songs by mistake. Imagine that, I made a mistake. I thought I had approval but there was a miscommunication between me and bjporter. He thought the top 5 had contacted me, I thought the top 5 contacted him.
  After we found out (thanks @brainzistor !! ) I immediately took action and corrected the mistake. I contacted the people involved by pm. They responded swiftly and said this is a fun idea and I got clearance. For archiving purposous I made a screenshot of these messages, not going to share that here, because they are private messages. It's between me and them.

Now this is great to hear/read, and addresses what I pointed out with the "needed clearance" and possible "Copyright Infringement/Illegal Redistribution". If this has been cleared, you have proof in written form of the consent, and possible legal action has less of a leverage.

This does not make you save from possible Audio Redistribution Tax Collection Service inquiries however (the BUMA/STEMRA, if I can trust the Wikipedia Article). Which is why I mentioned "please double check with the participant in question, if he/she's a member of any of those". I know from first hand experience with the German equivalent, that the "finance catalogue" for Streaming has really crazy prices.

• The revenue of these services will probably be low. Very, very low. This article states numbers like, $ 0,0011 per play, so we need 90909 plays to earn $100.
  It will be not practical to pay back each individual artist. I, and others thought it would be charming the collect these funds and do something nice for the OSC.
  could be prize money (boring)
  could be plugins (ok)
  could be merchandise (awesome)
  could be donating to a charity (even more awesome)
  could be something you come up with and is an awesome idea, just let us know
• Statistics will be made available of course. For now the statistics aren't up to date,there is nothing to show. It's empty. I'm actually very curious how many plays we get.
• If somehow we get about a millions of plays and there is serious money to be made with these tracks we should have a look at it again.

That is all I wanted to read - though it still has to be addressed in more global form (homepage, link to that article from each individual challenge, etc), IMO and all that.

I am fully aware that statistics are only available/of use 1-1,5 months after the upload. But I'm sure it'll be interesting to see the results and if the $ 0,0011c per play is a realistic value.







With that said - I'm closing this out (for me).
Everything has been said. Unless somebody feels like "Nope", then -> PM and I get to it ASAP.

Good luck with this particular experiment

[Hink]

Let's put this to bed

yes let's put it to bed, it's over or should be...it's done, it's over...I dont want to temp lock this thread. Please, no more

[rghvdberg]

What do we think of win 32 bit plugins ?
Quite a lot of interesting plugins in that format.
I've hesitated to really give them a try because maybe there's not enough interest in them.

I'm thinking of the k.brown bundle
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g6m0z81ie05f ... wt3ja?dl=0
http://kbrownsynthplugins.weebly.com/

Also still on my radar - Nightlife
http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/night ... ee-vst.php

T-Force Alpha Plus
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2015/06 ... ode-music/
http://d.pr/f/1cnk4+ (19.4 MB download size, ZIP archive, contains 5 virtual instruments and effects in 32-bit VST plugin format for Windows, made with SynthEdit)

[wagtunes]

What do we think of win 32 bit plugins ?
Quite a lot of interesting plugins in that format.
I've hesitated to really give them a try because maybe there's not enough interest in them.

I'm thinking of the k.brown bundle
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/g6m0z81ie05f ... wt3ja?dl=0
http://kbrownsynthplugins.weebly.com/

Also still on my radar - Nightlife
http://www.acoustica.com/mixcraft/night ... ee-vst.php

T-Force Alpha Plus
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2015/06 ... ode-music/
http://d.pr/f/1cnk4+ (19.4 MB download size, ZIP archive, contains 5 virtual instruments and effects in 32-bit VST plugin format for Windows, made with SynthEdit)

Rob, a lot of great ones. Unfortunately, they don't work on my PC so I had to get rid of almost all of them except for a couple.

[bjporter]

What do we think of win 32 bit plugins ?

I'm down, though SE ones have had a lot of problems in the past for many people.

[Frostline]

What do we think of win 32 bit plugins ?

That they are vastly superior to Linux ones?

Thankfully I have not had the issues (knock on wood) that Wagtunes has had with them.
Though I dislike that they don't sit nicely in my FX docker so it makes it easily possible once several are floating around to make adjustments on the wrong one.

Personally I would prefer more inclusive choices just because I enjoy listening to what some of the Apple users come up with.

But I understand if that isn't always possible.

[rghvdberg]

Hi Wags, you often mentioned the problems with running 32 bit plugins.
Still puzzled why it wont work.
The ridiculous thing is: I run 64 bit Linux and windows 32 bit plugins work fine. Even better, the DAW thinks they are native linux plugins. Now that's some clever programming done by Panthom Code : https://github.com/phantom-code/airwave/releases

I do have a Windows machine with Ardour but I don't use any 32 bit plugins on that system so I can't advice you how to solve your 32 bit problem.

I think it's time for a : "Help Wags run 32 bit plugins" thread

[wagtunes]

Hi Wags, you often mentioned the problems with running 32 bit plugins.
Still puzzled why it wont work.
The ridiculous thing is: I run 64 bit Linux and windows 32 bit plugins work fine. Even better, the DAW thinks they are native linux plugins. Now that's some clever programming done by Panthom Code : https://github.com/phantom-code/airwave/releases

I do have a Windows machine with Ardour but I don't use any 32 bit plugins on that system so I can't advice you how to solve your 32 bit problem.

I think it's time for a : "Help Wags run 32 bit plugins" thread

The problem is simple. I use Cubase. It's bridge sucks and JBridge doesn't work all the time. For some things (The recent RMI Piano and Pro Soloist) that are simple, JBridge works fine. For the more complex synths, not so much. Stability is so-so and can crash at any time. Some don't even load.

It's not really a big deal. There are very few 32 bit VSTs that I really miss. Mostly the HG Fortune stuff. He was a genius.

I do miss X11. That was one amazing piece of machinery. Anybody who has used it knows what I'm talking about. I could get lost in that for hours. But it was so unstable that I had to finally get rid of it. MuLab doesn't even recognize it as a VST for either the 64 or 32 bit version of the DAW.