Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[martinjuenke]

Wonder why a couple of guys endlessly argue about matters of taste.
Don't they have other things to do?
Music for example?
Obviously not.
Obviously they need this fighting over marginal, taste related issues.
Each of them needs to be the one and only who knows the truth about synths and
has to tell this in great length to the whole world.
Obviously this is soooo boring for other readers!
Guys, visit each other in real, have a beer or two and make music!

[Ingonator]

Guys, visit each other in real, have a beer or two and make music!

Well if you talk to me, i actually had owned a real Mini long time ago, also own The Legend (+ was a tester and factory presets designer) and made a lot of patches with it and also posted some audio demos.
Not to mention i also tried to give a lot of other useful contributions here.

You could have a look here where i just added a free collection of 102 patches i made so far:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2#p6695162

Also adde to teh plugins database now:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/the-leg ... /downloads

Sorry if some feel offended that i just posted this here but concerning The Legend and the Minimoog i am one of those here that actually knows what he is talking about...

Others try to do comparisons with other synths that do not seem to make much sense or they could simply not accept that The Legend sounds and works as it is.

[AnX]

How many years ago did you sell it?

[Ingonator]

All I said was, I quote "Anyway, for pads I don't really like Legend, it sounds harsh to my ears."
Live with it, not everyone shares your enthusiasm.

For mono basses I like Legend, though. So stop telling people what synth is right for them, you are in no position to tell.

Well, if you like The Legend for monophonic sounds but do not like it polyphonic why not only use it monophonic. Problem solved.
Maybe later you will find that the poyphony could be useful for you too...

It would be a bit stupid and/or selfish IMO to tell the synth should not include polyphony just because YOU do not like it while it could be useful for many others. Actually many would maybe not even have bought it without the polyphony added. At least we did not have the same discussions about missing polyphony as with Repro-1...

Others including myelf do like what they get from the polyphinic sounds and personally i do not care if with polyphony it does not sound like e.g. a Prophet 5, Jupiter 8 or Oberheim OB-Xa. Anyway none of that had a dedicated BPF like now in The Legend v1.1 while the Jupiter had an additional HPF to get close (while that HPF is very simple without Resonance and dedicated envelope/LFO control where the BPFs in The Legend are resonant until self-oscillation and could be controlled by the filter envelope and/or LFO).

With the Synth Brass sounds i was able to get close to some sounds of those polysynth which does not mean that i see The Legend as a proper emulation of those. If you try to reprogram sounds from those you could easily find many that you could not replicate in The Legend.

My POV about this is to explore WHAT is possible with The Legend whie others mostly think about what is NOT possible. For me this also included going beyond the features of The Legend like e.g. adding external LFO and envelope plugins (from Max For Live), doing polyphonic Unsion, creating a dual BPF with the help of the FX plugin or adding an Ensemble FX to a Vox/choir like sound.

Besides that it would not kill me and/or i would not be disappointed if no new features would be added now but of course it would be a nice addition and i would try to see what i could do with new additional features.

[egbert101]

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[Ingonator]

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[Ingonator]

Until some minutes ago i was not aware that The Legend (besides other products of Synapse Audio) is also available as a downloadable product at the Thomann Online shop:
https://www.thomann.de/gb/synapse_audio_the_legend.htm

[fluffy_little_something]

Well, if you like The Legend for monophonic sounds but do not like it polyphonic why not only use it monophonic. Problem solved.
Maybe later you will find that the poyphony could be useful for you too...

It would be a bit stupid and/or selfish IMO to tell the synth should not include polyphony just because YOU do not like it while it could be useful for many others. Actually many would maybe not even have bought it without the polyphony added. At least we did not have the same discussions about missing polyphony as with Repro-1...

Others including myelf do like what they get from the polyphinic sounds and personally i do not care if with polyphony it does not sound like e.g. a Prophet 5, Jupiter 8 or Oberheim OB-Xa. Anyway none of that had a dedicated BPF like now in The Legend v1.1 while the Jupiter had an additional HPF to get close (while that HPF is very simple without Resonance and dedicated envelope/LFO control where the BPFs in The Legend are resonant until self-oscillation and could be controlled by the filter envelope and/or LFO).

With the Synth Brass sounds i was able to get close to some sounds of those polysynth which does not mean that i see The Legend as a proper emulation of those. If you try to reprogram sounds from those you could easily find many that you could not replicate in The Legend.

My POV about this is to explore WHAT is possible with The Legend whie others mostly think about what is NOT possible. For me this also included going beyond the features of The Legend like e.g. adding external LFO and envelope plugins (from Max For Live), doing polyphonic Unsion, creating a dual BPF with the help of the FX plugin or adding an Ensemble FX to a Vox/choir like sound.

Besides that it would not kill me and/or i would not be disappointed if no new features would be added now but of course it would be a nice addition and i would try to see what i could do with new additional features.

Who says there is a problem? I only said I do not like the way it sounds on polyphonic pads.
Nor did I say that Legend should not include polyphony because I don't like it.
I was just stating my opinion on the sound, period.

How do you even come up with that kind of nonsense argumentation?!

[wagtunes]

FWIW, it's not easy working with the polyphony limitation of The Legend. 4 notes isn't much. And for pads with long release times, something I like a lot, forget it. It's just not doable without notes cutting off like crazy unless you play very slow and minimalist passages. Like 2 notes at a time max and like 90 BPM.

But then again, see, The Legend is a Minimoog. And the Minimoog wasn't a polyphonic instrument. So I'm perfectly content using it monophonically or making patches where 4 notes is workable.

In short, I'm happy with The Legend the way it is.

YMMV

[Ingonator]

Who says there is a problem? I only said I do not like the way it sounds on polyphonic pads.

But you also said you like it as a monophonic synth and i suggested to use it only monophonic then...

What should be teh solution for the fact that you do not like the polyphonic sound? Changing the Oscs and filter? This will not happen.

And if you also do not want to use it just for monophonic sounds there is not much more to discuss and you could just move on.

[fluffy_little_something]

Indeed, I wrote the same thing a few pages ago.

What also strikes me is that the volume seems to come and go in waves. Not sure if that was also the case with the original...

[Ingonator]

FWIW, it's not easy working with the polyphony limitation of The Legend. 4 notes isn't much. And for pads with long release times, something I like a lot, forget it. It's just not doable without notes cutting off like crazy unless you play very slow and minimalist passages. Like 2 notes at a time max and like 90 BPM.

I normally do not really see a big problem with 3 notes and in many cases also 4 notes works nicely.
I recommend using the "Last" note priority with the poly mode which mostly works better.

[egbert101]

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[Ingonator]

I see no reason why it can't be 16 or 32 polyphonic, since it's software. Perhaps there are limits in terms of audio rate or some other software related limit I'm not aware of, but it would be nice to have more than just 4. But then, I guess the point is, we have to wait for Dune 3.

It was explained several times, also by the develeoper. The Legend uses a "vectorized coer" that uses SSE instructiosn of the CPU to reduce the overall CPU load but this does not work beyond 4 voices.

Due to the vectorized core The Legend with 4 voices uses just the double CPU amount or even less of a single voice.

[fluffy_little_something]

Who says there is a problem? I only said I do not like the way it sounds on polyphonic pads.

But you also said you like it as a monophonic synth and i suggested to use it only monophonic then...

What should be teh solution for the fact that you do not like the polyphonic sound? Changing the Oscs and filter? This will not happen.

And if you also do not want to use it just for monophonic sounds there is not much more to discuss and you could just move on.

Who says there should be any solution? It's like with pizza. If I don't like spinach pizza, so be it. Just because I don't like it and say so, doesn't mean I expect pizza makers to change their recipe and product.

It's irrelevant whether or not I like Legend's pad
sound. I just stated that I don't like it, period.

I like the monophonic sound, but at the end of the day, for me personally it would be a bit expensive for monophonic use only, I would rather get Repro-1 as it has a more pleasant sound (in my view, mind you) and much more interesting effects and modulation. If I were a Moog fan, I might think differently.