Synapse Audio Minimoog emulation "The Legend" for VST/AU and RE released!

[Yorrrrrr]

If I recall correctly, I think I remember Richard saying that a 6 or 8 (or whatever) voices Legend would be doable, if the plugin was programmed to take advantage of AVX instructions. Normally it would require great amounts of CPU power.

But honestly I don't think I care. Poly in The Legend is just a nice extra. It's at mono sounds where it rocks.

[fluffy_little_something]

I read somewhere that 8 voices would also be possible. But not everyone could benefit from that, depending on their system.
8 voices would be very different from 4 voices in terms of pads, voice stealing etc.

[EnGee]

FWIW, it's not easy working with the polyphony limitation of The Legend. 4 notes isn't much. And for pads with long release times, something I like a lot, forget it. It's just not doable without notes cutting off like crazy unless you play very slow and minimalist passages. Like 2 notes at a time max and like 90 BPM.

Exactly!

What I see the polyphony useful (with this 4 limit), is when you play solo (no chords) but smoother than monophonic. So, for example, releasing the note just after playing another note. It gives another feel than absolute monophonic synth.

I really don't know if The Legend has 16 or more polyphony (like Diva or LuSH), how it would sound? Is it even possible to have 16 polyphony Legend?! Both in terms of CPU usage and sound? Will it still sound smooth or too much fat would be noisy?

Let's see how things go with RePro~5 in the future. that might also tell us about Legend 8 or Legend 16

Just, to be clear. Even 16 polyphony is not enough for fast chord playing! I have 256 polyphony in my Casio and if you think about Piano, it is not exaggerated as it seems!

About Hybrid 3, it is IMO a very nice synth. I used it before especially for calm and smooth pads. But I doubt it can do thick fat basses and leads as the case with the Legend. So, why not using both?! I think they can get two different jobs done

[Yorrrrrr]

I would like Richard/Synapse focused on creating an emulation of a 8 voice analog poly synth (which would it be?) with the same detail as The Legend. But I guess DUNE 3 has to come first. Either way I am looking forward to whatever they may bring next.

[Ingonator]

I like the monophonic sound, but at the end of the day, for me personally it would be a bit expensive for monophonic use only, I would rather get Repro-1 as it has a more pleasant sound (in my view, mind you) and much more interesting effects and modulation.

But this is EXACTLY my point. You do not like it for polyphonic use and do not want to use it only for monophonic sounds. You have to ask yourself if this is really the right synth for you. On the other hand you say you would prefer Repro-1 even if it is only monophonic so far which for The Legend you say is too expensive.

If you compare the monophonic Repro-1 to the monophonic The Legend is Repro-1 more pleasing for you? You just said you do not like how The Legend sounds with polyphony but that you like how it sounds monophonic. So do you really know what you want?

FWIW i own both synths and they are quite differnt in terms of both sound and features (indpenden of the polyphony).

[fluffy_little_something]

But this is EXACTLY my point. You do not like it for polyphonic use and do not want to use it only for monophonic sounds. You have to ask yourself if this is really the right synth for you. On the other hand you say you would prefer Repro-1 even if it is only monophonic so far which for The Legend you say is too expensive.

If you compare the monophonic Repro-1 to the monophonic The Legend is Repro-1 more pleasing for you? You just said you do not like how The Legend sounds with polyphony but that you like how it sounds monophonic. So do you really know what you want?

FWIW i own both synths and they are quite differnt in terms of both sound and features (indpenden of the polyphony).

Your posts seem to be based on a false assumption, namely that people who demo Legend and write in the Legend thread, are interested in buying it.
I am just curious, but I am pretty sure I will not get Legend in its current state.

Yes, I like some bass and lead sounds it makes, but I like Repro-1 more. So, if I had to buy such a limited synth at all, I would get the latter.

You see, no contradiction at all, I know what I want - and not.

[wagtunes]

FWIW, it's not easy working with the polyphony limitation of The Legend. 4 notes isn't much. And for pads with long release times, something I like a lot, forget it. It's just not doable without notes cutting off like crazy unless you play very slow and minimalist passages. Like 2 notes at a time max and like 90 BPM.

I normally do not really see a big problem with 3 notes and in many cases also 4 notes works nicely.
I recommend using the "Last" note priority with the poly mode which mostly works better.

I actually do use last note priority. Doesn't really help much. I can post examples clearly demonstrating the cutoffs playing anything other than very slowly and long wait times between chords. Quick transitions with long release times produce cut off notes. There is absolutely no way around it.

Again, this is easy enough to illustrate.

[Ingonator]

I really don't know if The Legend has 16 or more polyphony (like Diva or LuSH), how it would sound? Is it even possible to have 16 polyphony Legend?! Both in terms of CPU usage and sound? Will it still sound smooth or too much fat would be noisy?

I had used the Polymind Max For Live device to play Repro-1 polyphonic and also to play polyphonic unison with The Legend (i had posted audio demos for both). With 4 notes and 4 voices for each instance it was 16 voices playing at once and more was also no problem.
Here is one of the demos:
IW - The Legend_Poly Unison Demo 02

Both the Unison patch used for this and this demo are available in my new thread at the Soundware forum (and also earlier i this thread).

With the same setup also playing up to 16 single voices of The Legend is possible while i have not checked that yet and it would be dificult to use all voices. 8 voices should not be a problem at all with this setup.

UPDATE:
With 7 notes/instances of the polyphonic Unison (= 28 voices) the 7 instances of The Legend take around 28% CPU (display in Live 9) at an Intel i5 3350P CPU (PC bought in 2013).
Due to the "vectorized" core each f the 4 voice Unison instances takes aroud the double amount of a mono voice (like in the poly mode).

[fluffy_little_something]

About Hybrid 3, it is IMO a very nice synth. I used it before especially for calm and smooth pads. But I doubt it can do thick fat basses and leads as the case with the Legend. So, why not using both?! I think they can get two different jobs done

An interesting challenge, maybe I'll find some time after work tomorrow...
One good thing about Legend is that it has full retrigger in mono mode with last note priority. In Hybrid it is just a weakish pseudo-retrigger

[EnGee]

I really don't know if The Legend has 16 or more polyphony (like Diva or LuSH), how it would sound? Is it even possible to have 16 polyphony Legend?! Both in terms of CPU usage and sound? Will it still sound smooth or too much fat would be noisy?

I had used the Polymind Max For Live device to play Repro-1 polyphonic and also to play polyphonic unison with The Legend (i had posted audio demos for both). With 4 notes and 4 voices for each instance it was 16 voices playing at once and more was also no problem.
Here is one of the demos:
IW - The Legend_Poly Unison Demo 02

Both the Unison patch used for this and this demo are available in my new thread at the Soundware forum (and also earlier i this thread).

With the same setup also playing up to 16 single voices of The Legend is possible while i have not checked that yet and it would be dificult to use all voices. 8 voices should not be a problem at all with this setup.

Thanks for the example

Well, I don't have that sensitive hearing, but even with that, I could noticed notes stealing. It reminded me a little bit of the music done for the early 90's video games to be honest

Anyway, IMO, it is not practical to do such workarounds to see how the polyphony sounds with the Legend (or even RePro~1). I prefer to test a whole finished product.

[Ingonator]

Anyway, IMO, it is not practical to do such workarounds to see how the polyphony sounds with the Legend (or even RePro~1). I prefer to test a whole finished product.

Audio demos with polyphonic Repro-1 are here (and screenshots for the setup):
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=435

[EnGee]

About Hybrid 3, it is IMO a very nice synth. I used it before especially for calm and smooth pads. But I doubt it can do thick fat basses and leads as the case with the Legend. So, why not using both?! I think they can get two different jobs done

An interesting challenge, maybe I'll find some time after work tomorrow...
One good thing about Legend is that it has full retrigger in mono mode with last note priority. In Hybrid it is just a weakish pseudo-retrigger

It is not easy task! I wouldn't try again to do that. You might be able to do it in Sylenth easier, but I even couldn't do it with Dune 2 yesterday. It is near, but lacks a lot of thickness and character. Anyway, it is not impossible I believe, but it really needs a very good sound designer with a hell a lot of patience (I don't have both )
Vacuum Pro on the other hand is capable of that easily, but it has absolutely a different character from the Legend and RePro~1 as well.

[EnGee]

Anyway, IMO, it is not practical to do such workarounds to see how the polyphony sounds with the Legend (or even RePro~1). I prefer to test a whole finished product.

Audio demos with polyphonic Repro-1 are here (and screenshots for the setup):
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=435

Yes, I have read that before, but I can't test it because I have Live intro which doesn't support Max for Live.

Anyway, I can do it with my DAW if I want with many tracks, but I really don't see the reason for all that hassle! I have great synths for pads and I'm not that a fan of a 'Jump' like pads. Too thick and can fill all the frequency leaving nothing for other instruments, selfish pads

Ok, time for a siesta after a nice lunch and beer with this hot weather here! Zzzzzzz ..

[chk071]

I must admit i also don't quite get the point of having these instruments polyphonic, or extending polyphony, when you get cut off notes with every 2nd chord anyway, and you can have the same thing with the "usual suspect" unison monster VA synth in the same, or better quality. Which, frankly, for me, even introduces the question of the point of such a software instrument in general. But, each to his like. Guess it will still sell like hot cakes in 10 years, if you write "Minimoog", or "Prophet" on it.

[waltercruz]

This question is not about Legend, but I hope that someone here can answer:

Monark is a emulation of an earlier or a later minimoog?