Steinberg HALion 6 & HALion Sonic 3

[vespesian]

If Steinberg had announced prior - as they did with the switch to 64bit, and the last few Mac OS iterations - that they were phasing out win7 with their upcoming software releases, then fair play to them. But they didn't. Great that they're reconsidering support for win7, now, all of a sudden, today...but shouldn't this have crossed their radar, like, say, a year ago?

[Numanoid]

They can make it up with a half price Valentine day sale

[vespesian]

They can make it up with a half price Valentine day sale

That's some next-level corporate thinking right there.

[aMUSEd]

Aah the downloader is giving me the option of downloading the 28GB Halion 6 OR the 27GB Halionsonic3 - I want both, they share the same library so why is there not an option to download the 2 plugin installers separate from the samples?

[wickfut]

Aah the downloader is giving me the option of downloading the 28GB Halion 6 OR the 27GB Halionsonic3 - I want both, they share the same library so why is there not an option to download the 2 plugin installers separate from the samples?

Download Halion 6. It has HalionSonic3 with the install.

[chk071]

If Steinberg had announced prior - as they did with the switch to 64bit, and the last few Mac OS iterations - that they were phasing out win7 with their upcoming software releases, then fair play to them. But they didn't.

Ok, i'll bite. Why would that have been fair, and why is this unfair now? You either buy, or you don't. They're not obliged to support every OS with one of their standalone software products. If people who use Windows 7 don't buy this, then that's all that there is about it really.

Be happy that you don't use a Mac, man. At least Windows 8 is supported...

[aMUSEd]

1. HALIon 6 completely deletes HALion 5 license. In consequence, although I kept HALion 5 32-bit, I cannot use it, because it says that there is no license. This is new. In all other upgrades, the new license was valid for the older versions. I don't know if this is intentional or a bug in the license, but I will fill a ticket about this.

Do you use the soft eLicenser or the dongle ?

I hope it still supports Hypersonic 2

Oh not good!!! The replaced license is not supporting Hypersonic 2 - says I have no license for it now. This is seriously messed up.

[BBFG#]

Maybe this is the reason Windows 7 isn't supported. It hasn't been tested.

Well, of course. The reason why a OS isn't supported is because... they're not supporting it. Doesn't mean that the software will necessarily not work with it.
BTW, regarding the stats posted earlier in this thread, last thing i saw on Netmarketshare and Statista is that Windows 10 has overtaken Windows 7. The figures i saw are like 37 % market share for 10, and 35 % market share for 7. And as EvilDragon mentioned, Windows 7 is running out as an OS. It was released in 2009, and the enhanced support will be running out in 2020 (basic support, which means feature enhancement, and stuff like that, already ran out in 2015). You know, i do get that people are still using it, but, it won't get any younger... Steinberg will surely know what they do, when they're not supporting it anymore with their software plugins. I'd be damned if they don't have an ear on their customers.
And, if you're interested in my opinion, i consider Windows 10 better in any regard, ESPECIALLY regarding performance.

All the above may very well be true. I wouldn't know either way.
But here is what I do know with 100% certainty.
Not supporting Windows 7, they're going to lose sales. How many? No clue. But they will lose sales. There are enough people, like me, still using Windows 7 who will not buy HALion 6. And I was all ready to.
Trust me. I am not alone.
Stupid move for an OS that's still going to be around for 3 more years, especially since their very own product JUST released (Cubase 9) works on Windows 7.
The illogical decision on their part totally boggles my mind.

In support of this and to what I said previously, not supporting 7 from their side as well as other companies refusing to update their drivers to 10 puts many of us in a position of having to dump good synths for the other good synths. Which turns all the companies into a "refuses to play well with others" and blaming the host for their lack to do so instead of being personally responsible to make sure they do. So while they have that right, it certainly shows as egotistical and myopic.

(And again, I run both 7 & 10 and 7 specifically in the studio because it recognizes hardware that 10 drivers refuse to see.)

[DrumAddict]

as ive read this now more than one time , that the Halion 6 license disables previous versions ? any experience if it is true ?

i would not upgrade anymore myselves if its true .

[chk071]

@ BBFG#: I'm pretty sure it rather has to do with keeping work, and expenses within the scope, when you don't support an OS you don't consider as support worthy anymore (sorry to say, but, Windows 7 is heading south, there is no doubt about that... at the latest in 3 years, most people will have stopped using it). It doesn't make sense for most companies to support Windows Vista for several years now.

Not to say i'm not sorry for the people not able to run it (althought it seems to work), but... you don't have to buy. It's really hard to feel sympathetic about it, when it's entirely your own decision whether you buy or not. There's enough alternatives.

[wagtunes]

Maybe this is the reason Windows 7 isn't supported. It hasn't been tested.

Well, of course. The reason why a OS isn't supported is because... they're not supporting it. Doesn't mean that the software will necessarily not work with it.
BTW, regarding the stats posted earlier in this thread, last thing i saw on Netmarketshare and Statista is that Windows 10 has overtaken Windows 7. The figures i saw are like 37 % market share for 10, and 35 % market share for 7. And as EvilDragon mentioned, Windows 7 is running out as an OS. It was released in 2009, and the enhanced support will be running out in 2020 (basic support, which means feature enhancement, and stuff like that, already ran out in 2015). You know, i do get that people are still using it, but, it won't get any younger... Steinberg will surely know what they do, when they're not supporting it anymore with their software plugins. I'd be damned if they don't have an ear on their customers.
And, if you're interested in my opinion, i consider Windows 10 better in any regard, ESPECIALLY regarding performance.

All the above may very well be true. I wouldn't know either way.
But here is what I do know with 100% certainty.
Not supporting Windows 7, they're going to lose sales. How many? No clue. But they will lose sales. There are enough people, like me, still using Windows 7 who will not buy HALion 6. And I was all ready to.
Trust me. I am not alone.
Stupid move for an OS that's still going to be around for 3 more years, especially since their very own product JUST released (Cubase 9) works on Windows 7.
The illogical decision on their part totally boggles my mind.

In support of this and to what I said previously, not supporting 7 from their side as well as other companies refusing to update their drivers to 10 puts many of us in a position of having to dump good synths for the other good synths. Which turns all the companies into a "refuses to play well with others" and blaming the host for their lack to do so instead of being personally responsible to make sure they do. So while they have that right, it certainly shows as egotistical and myopic.

(And again, I run both 7 & 10 and 7 specifically in the studio because it recognizes hardware that 10 drivers refuse to see.)

Except in this case, they have two products, brand new, one that runs on Windows 7 and one that doesn't. And the one that doesn't loads into the one that does.

It's like they purposely just wanted to show customers how stupid they can be in case we didn't know this already.

[aMUSEd]

as ive read this now more than one time , that the Halion 6 license disables previous versions ? any experience if it is true ?

i would not upgrade anymore myselves if its true .

It's true

[vespesian]

If Steinberg had announced prior - as they did with the switch to 64bit, and the last few Mac OS iterations - that they were phasing out win7 with their upcoming software releases, then fair play to them. But they didn't.

Ok, i'll bite. Why would that have been fair, and why is this unfair now? You either buy, or you don't. They're not obliged to support every OS with one of their standalone software products. If people who use Windows 7 don't buy this, then that's all that there is about it really.

Be happy that you don't use a Mac, man. At least Windows 8 is supported...

Given that (surely) they were aware of the significant number of their users still on win7, and that they have communicated clearly re other various OS support changes (esp. for MAC's btw), the failure to do so with Halion, their super-duper VST, seems kinda galling. Or maybe they thought people wouldn't notice.

[BBFG#]

@ BBFG#: I'm pretty sure it rather has to do with keeping work, and expenses within the scope, when you don't support an OS you don't consider as support worthy anymore (sorry to say, but, Windows 7 is heading south, there is no doubt about that... at the latest in 3 years, most people will have stopped using it). It doesn't make sense for most companies to support Windows Vista for several years now.
Not to say i'm not sorry for the people not able to run it (althought it seems to work), but... you don't have to buy. It's really hard to feel sympathetic about it, when it's entirely your own decision whether you buy or not. There's enough alternatives.

I fear we may be going circular in this now, but as I said it's on more than just Steinberg here. Although they are the ones pushing the Rubicon to cross.

For me, I really find more fault with Korg & Roland since writing the inclusion into their drivers would get me to have Win 10 as my preferred consistency without question. This amounts to a single line of code and debugging which appears as little to none anyway. BTW, Yamaha drivers had this down without any fanfare at all. All I'm saying to Steinberg is to please be cognizant that even their own parent company takes this into account.

BTW, Win 8 is the dividing line for Korg/Roland. They won't even support 8.1 (which is what I had my studio on until they forced me to downgrade to 7).

[DrumAddict]

as ive read this now more than one time , that the Halion 6 license disables previous versions ? any experience if it is true ?

i would not upgrade anymore myselves if its true .

It's true

thats really an very bad move from Steinberg .

i still hope that it is an error .

if it is no error and steinberg wanted it this way i will not consider myselves upgrade anymore .

thank you aMUSEd for the answere