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PurpleCatfishBettie · Post by **PurpleCatfishBettie** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:40 am

that's fairly edgy

i liked 'told you so'

2ZrgE · Post by **2ZrgE** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:29 pm

That video, are they serious?

Haven't had that feeling of second hand embarrassment in quite a while.

Well maybe that kind of amateurishness was done on purpose who knows...

garryknight · Post by **garryknight** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:46 pm

The video is cheesy but the lyrics do to a large extent mirror the feelings of a lot of people here in the UK. Rich politicians have lied to us and led many people to vote to leave the EU, which could end up crippling the country. There's also a rise in the number of right-wingers tending towards fascist and even nazi beliefs, together with the concomitant social and physical attacks on anyone who isn't white or who talks a foreign language, along with the fear all that creates. And our National Health System is systematically being run into the ground by our right-wing Tory government withholding and even in some cases reducing or withdrawing funding just so that it can crash and burn and they can then sell it off to the highest bidder. Some of our newspapers and even the BBC appear to be in collusion with the people causing all of this. We look across the pond and see the same but worse.

And a great many people are going about their everyday business with a typically British "mustn't grumble" attitude.

Where's the revolution?

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:12 pm

2ZrgE wrote:That video, are they serious?

Haven't had that feeling of second hand embarrassment in quite a while.

Well maybe that kind of amateurishness was done on purpose who knows...

Yes.. that video is truly awful on any level you care to think about it.. A real miss for DM this time. Those lyrics are almost as embarrassing as Everything Counts..

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:22 pm

Musically it sounds like Martin has got caught up in Counterfeit 2 mood

annode · Post by **annode** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:34 pm

The music sounds like it came from a track that didn't make it onto Violator.
As for the coming album, i'll take the wait and see attitude, although i'm not optimistic.
Yeah, if they can do a tour based on a new CD every 4 years in order to keep up with their bills and lifestyle, they will. The new music doesn't pull in any real revenue...it's inconsequential these days. It's the tour they're after. God bless Tiny Tim.

Vovique · Post by **Vovique** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:35 pm

Igro wrote:
fedexnman wrote:Politics is kinda making me " Yawn " at the moment .... DM should stick to drug addiction songs and sex stuff ...
In the world of mainstream music where every single song is about getting drunk and shag somebody (which is obviously what the mainstream music bosses told to write to their "puppet" producers), Depeche Mode is singing what their want to sing. I think they clearly said that to Columbia bosses. Otherwise their would continue with dealing with Mute record with the same success.

Btw, DM always had some political tunes. Check the "New Dress"

Well said!

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:05 pm

I don't care if you're going nowhere
Just take good care of the world

I can't understand,
What makes a man hate another man
Help me understand

Your pretty dress is oil stained
From working too hard, for too little

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:27 pm

35 years ago this week saw See You entering the british chart (it would peak at no. 6)

I adore that tune, it is just perfect synth-pop

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:35 am

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:58 am

do_androids_dream wrote:
2ZrgE wrote:That video, are they serious?

Haven't had that feeling of second hand embarrassment in quite a while.

Well maybe that kind of amateurishness was done on purpose who knows...
Yes.. that video is truly awful on any level you care to think about it.. A real miss for DM this time. Those lyrics are almost as embarrassing as Everything Counts..

Sorry, I liked the video. Most of them have been a letdown, to be honest, so my standards may be a bit low where they're concerned.

jacqueslacouth · Post by **jacqueslacouth** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:28 am

Maybe all the expert opinion shared here should be sent to DM to help them maintain a career in the music industry.

BTW, for what it's worth, it sounds typical DM to me and I like it, just like I did in '81.

SampleScience · Post by **SampleScience** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:50 am

The song is good, but like all Depeche Mode tracks you have to give it a bit of time. It grows on you after a couple of listens. As for the lyrics, English is not my native language so I can't tell if they are being sarcastic or serious. The video leaves me even more clueless, if someone care to explain, I'm all ears.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:17 pm

SampleScience wrote:The song is good, but like all Depeche Mode tracks you have to give it a bit of time. It grows on you after a couple of listens. As for the lyrics, English is not my native language so I can't tell if they are being sarcastic or serious. The video leaves me even more clueless, if someone care to explain, I'm all ears.

Well, both serious and sarcastic, the lyrics are clear. They are British and two of them live in the U.S. It is clearly about the Brexit and Trump, as stated in the video I posted on page 1. In regard of "Where's the Revolution", they claim, among other things:

"the world is in a big mess at the moment, you can't pretend nothing is happening. We were all really depressed by the outcome of the Brexit referendum. Most people who voted did not even understand what it meant, they were not well informed. The things Trump is saying are cruel and heartless, they sound very similar to those someone was saying in 1935, and it didn't work out very well."

Of course, as always happens, DM lyrics and messages can be read on a double level: "politics" (class struggle) or "personal" (sex, drugs, love, whatever). See "masters and servants", "policy of truth", "music for the masses", "everything counts" etc. etc.

It is also true that, although "rich rockstars" now, they've always been socialist/labourist, more or less as in "British socialism". The video is somehow ironic and slightly bitter: there's no crowd, it is an empty place with only ghosts of the revolution, it looks like a lonely nightmare. Marx, Engels and Lenin (or Fidel?... who knows...) spinning around rather than moving forward "on the train of revolution" one hundred years after (Russian Revolution: 1917-2017). "Socialism or Barbarism", this is their message, I guess.

the pulpit:

the train:

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:17 pm

mhog wrote:"We were all really depressed by the outcome of the Brexit referendum. Most people who voted did not even understand what it meant, they were not well informed.."

Has Martin not been living in California since the '90's ?

Depeche is back