bitwig 2 is here

[Cyoon]

, at the moment if you start chaining them/combining them - it quickly becomes very difficult to see what is connected to what (you have to click on each modulator in turn)

you can open several modulators at once. ctrl+click on win i think and cmd+click on mac.

[pdxindy]

Also, it has been like 9 months since I used any M4L device since I stopped using M4L so maybe I am not remembering but can M4L modulators like LFO function polyphonically like Bitwig modulators can in v2?

No not really possible to do poly modulators from M4L to a non-M4L instrument, since theres no interface to do this (you can do, if your within your own M4L device, e.g. oscillot)

In Live one cannot add a poly LFO onto Operator. In Bitwig 2, one can add a poly LFO onto FM4

and while it is true that with Bitwig v2 poly modulators will not yet work with VST's, the basic infrastructure is mostly developed to make that possible somewhere along the way.

[incubus]

Is that the CPU meter I see jumping that high?

[woodsdenis]

I agree M4L can do all of the mod stuff but the fact they are baked in makes the workflow much quicker and more intuitive. No question Live is a way more advanced product but I do enjoy using Bitwig more, that being said I use Cubase most of the time, if Bitwig was my only DAW I would have a different opinion.

I have always found M4L a bit clunky and unreliable. Live is solid for me when using just Live... but when I start adding in M4L devices, it becomes more crash prone.

Also, it has been like 9 months since I used any M4L device since I stopped using M4L so maybe I am not remembering but can M4L modulators like LFO function polyphonically like Bitwig modulators can in v2?

Live is more advanced in some ways... but no MPE support, no multi-clip editing, no audio events inside a clip, etc... there are lots of very useful functions Bitwig has that Live doesn't. So it depends on what a user wants. If they prioritize MPE support, then Bitwig is more advanced.

Agree M4L is clunky, I much prefer BW2 for what I do. I have to say the more I demo BW2 the more I like it, caveat being its not my primary DAW and have always gelled with it more than Live.

[tooneba]

max for nerds

[xbitz]

Is that the CPU meter I see jumping that high?

that's the 3x7 detuned stacked oscillators(JPX Saw Ana1) per note (+delay, and phaser) in Avenger ...

[liquidsound]

max for nerds

[DPhil]

Unfortunately some plugins won't show up in Bitwig2. But it's totally random (FabFilter, UAD, NI, ...). Sometimes I open 2 DAWs for direct comparison of the sounds and features. May it be that plugins can flagged something like "used" from one daw and therefore not open in another at the same time? Or does Bitwig check some magical state?

Since I've never heard of that issues from someone else, it might by some mysterious setting on my system but there's nothing fancy on here

[gentleclockdivider]

Also, it has been like 9 months since I used any M4L device since I stopped using M4L so maybe I am not remembering but can M4L modulators like LFO function polyphonically like Bitwig modulators can in v2?

No not really possible to do poly modulators from M4L to a non-M4L instrument, since theres no interface to do this (you can do, if your within your own M4L device, e.g. oscillot)

In Live one cannot add a poly LFO onto Operator. In Bitwig 2, one can add a poly LFO onto FM4

and while it is true that with Bitwig v2 poly modulators will not yet work with VST's, the basic infrastructure is mostly developed to make that possible somewhere along the way.

Not really sure if poly lfo to vsti is possible .
They will need to have acces on how the vsti calculates voices .

[ecdysis]

The planned release date for Bitwig Studio 2 is February 28th, 2017.

A UNIVERSE OF MODULATORS: "this is a big step towards a fully modular device architecture."

[incubus]

Is that the CPU meter I see jumping that high?

that's the 3x7 detuned stacked oscillators(JPX Saw Ana1) per note (+delay, and phaser) in Avenger ...

So you can do one cool thing but can't add anything else to it then?

[pdxindy]

Also, it has been like 9 months since I used any M4L device since I stopped using M4L so maybe I am not remembering but can M4L modulators like LFO function polyphonically like Bitwig modulators can in v2?

No not really possible to do poly modulators from M4L to a non-M4L instrument, since theres no interface to do this (you can do, if your within your own M4L device, e.g. oscillot)

In Live one cannot add a poly LFO onto Operator. In Bitwig 2, one can add a poly LFO onto FM4

and while it is true that with Bitwig v2 poly modulators will not yet work with VST's, the basic infrastructure is mostly developed to make that possible somewhere along the way.

Not really sure if poly lfo to vsti is possible .
They will need to have acces on how the vsti calculates voices .

There is VST3 Note expression (some level of implementation in v2) and also the Note Per Channel option. Polyphonic modulation already works with vst's in that limited way.

[woodsdenis]

Well its here now.

[SLiC]

https://www.bitwig.com/en/download.html

Yup released on time- everyone can try it now

[hivkorn]

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