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- KVRist
- 158 posts since 13 Feb, 2015
So this is a question no one has asked on this website but here we go..
So, i have to choose a high school i want to go to now. That also means i have to choose a education so i get the subjects needed to get the education i want. The thing is i want to do music. I don't know what to do, should i study music, or take another path in life and have music as a hobby..
What have you guys done?
Want to hear opinions who have a bit more experience in life.
So, i have to choose a high school i want to go to now. That also means i have to choose a education so i get the subjects needed to get the education i want. The thing is i want to do music. I don't know what to do, should i study music, or take another path in life and have music as a hobby..
What have you guys done?
Want to hear opinions who have a bit more experience in life.
- KVRAF
- 2110 posts since 5 Oct, 2015 from Swedish / Living in Hong Kong
I went to music academy in Sweden. I never thought I would have a cool job in the music business or become a full time artist. I always thought I would become a music teacher in a school or something like that. Once I got a chance to work as a substitute teacher for one month I realized that it was not for me. I decided to go back to school and university. Ever since I have been working as a hardware engineer and since 17 years I been focusing on sound and acoustics. I just use my music as a hobby now. I don't regret going to music academy. I learned a lot but I must admit it almost killed my love for music making. I don't regret keeping music as a hobby only.
I can't really give any good advice because only you know what is good for you. I just wanted to share my story so you know it's never too late to change your mind down the road.
Best of luck!
I can't really give any good advice because only you know what is good for you. I just wanted to share my story so you know it's never too late to change your mind down the road.
Best of luck!
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- KVRAF
- 8079 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
Where I grew up, we just had a public grade 9-12 high school, or a religious private school if your parents could afford that and were so inclined. Which they couldn't and weren't. So that wasn't a choice I made until college, though I did get to choose which classes to take beyond basic requirements.
Anyway. I too considered going into music as a career. I thought about being a session musician, a recording engineer, or going into education. I decided against all of those though. I wound up as a software developer. In the right workplace, it pays decently and is low-stress, the work isn't usually that hard, though it can vary between really engaging and extremely dull.
I make music as a hobby -- so I don't have to worry about how to pay the bills, playing someone else's music, representing brands that I dislike, mainstream appeal, marketing myself, keeping up with trends (except when they interest me), doing what I'm told, or going against my introvert weirdo nature.
I make a lot of music (last night I posted my 40th track for 2017 so far), I love doing it, I mostly enjoy listening to it afterwards (at work I listen to my own music about half the time), it enriches my life, and so I consider it a great success even though my audience is quite small.
There are cheaper hobbies, but there are a LOT of more expensive hobbies, and some of them require bigger chunks of time to enjoy (chances are you can't come home from work, have dinner and then go scuba diving before bed).
Anyway. I too considered going into music as a career. I thought about being a session musician, a recording engineer, or going into education. I decided against all of those though. I wound up as a software developer. In the right workplace, it pays decently and is low-stress, the work isn't usually that hard, though it can vary between really engaging and extremely dull.
I make music as a hobby -- so I don't have to worry about how to pay the bills, playing someone else's music, representing brands that I dislike, mainstream appeal, marketing myself, keeping up with trends (except when they interest me), doing what I'm told, or going against my introvert weirdo nature.
There are cheaper hobbies, but there are a LOT of more expensive hobbies, and some of them require bigger chunks of time to enjoy (chances are you can't come home from work, have dinner and then go scuba diving before bed).
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
somehow, connive yourself through as much mathematics as you are able to.
school is often a valuable opportunity to learn about other people. in the word of monty python, deciding just to do music is like "diving straight for the clitoris". and someone may have some good weed.
school is often a valuable opportunity to learn about other people. in the word of monty python, deciding just to do music is like "diving straight for the clitoris". and someone may have some good weed.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
- KVRian
- 715 posts since 22 May, 2012
google "sae institute" and take a look at their audio engineering courses.
an audio engineer diploma, bachelor or even master is a good starting point to
work in the music business.
an audio engineer diploma, bachelor or even master is a good starting point to
work in the music business.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you.xoxos wrote:somehow, connive yourself through as much mathematics as you are able to.
school is often a valuable opportunity to learn about other people. in the word of monty python, deciding just to do music is like "diving straight for the clitoris". and someone may have some good weed.
School is an opportunity to expose yourself to a diverse set of fields of study. This will make you a more well-rounded person in general, and give you more to talk about as an artist. You need to learn about history, politics, literature, art history, biology, physics, foreign languages, and everything in between. How are you supposed to decide on a future career when you haven't even experienced what life has to offer?
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRAF
- 16802 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Was going to say the same thing, about math. If you just keep doing the math, doors stay open and you can delay these thoughts for some time. If you love music, and you have some talent for it, your high school years are a decent enough time to explore that.xoxos wrote:somehow, connive yourself through as much mathematics as you are able to.
school is often a valuable opportunity to learn about other people. in the word of monty python, deciding just to do music is like "diving straight for the clitoris". and someone may have some good weed.
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
answering just for fun,deastman wrote:How are you supposed to decide on a future career when you haven't even experienced what life has to offer?
having attended an hehe "prestigious public school for gifted students" i never thought about education for opening doors, all doors were opened for me in youth. course in the real world, it didn't work like that and eg. it took me three months to get a job cleaning toilets. you are hateful f**kers as a species really. and ignorant. ignorant as all f**k. pedigree, awesome person, three months to clean toilets. f**k your shit.
i didn't decide on a career, i decided on a life. i cannot regret the decision because my (somewhat distant) perspective on societies (international, polycultural erudition) allowed me to do things others don't, and be someone that no one wanted but i thought was a good idea...
i doesn't pay for shit to have a life but not a career. conversely, i figure, if you go for a career and not a life, all you get is the shit. good dog.
i'm writing this because for all my good intent for humanity (which will be grossly questioned/challenged by posters on kvr) my life has been much, much more bitter and painful than it needs to be. the establishment doesn't like hearing about anything different, and if you make it angry, even unknowingly, it.. does things that.. people don't really know about.
suck corporate dick all your life. you and your family will be safe. stupid civilised culture will murder the world, your soul will be worthless for lack of discretion, but you won't have to watch ignorant people destroy the things and people you love because you dared to speak What Is Not To Be Spoken.
they even killed the trees because my family planted them.
they even murdered the f**king trees.
and no one, no one at all, will want to understand what happened, all you will get is ridicule.
of coruse, it's not the trees that are the worst part.
edit.. of course, what i meant to say was, education per se is largely questionable, always question your edification, but it is valuable in terms of relating to people. a person "from their bedroom" is less tangible or something... i'm just saying there may be more to the experience than the course material. 2c.
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I wonder here if 'high school' means something different than it does where I come from.
Here its outset is 9th grade, like 14 yrs old. Or 10th, but that's called 'sophomore year' anyway.
So who knows from a crucial life decision at that age.
Except I quit after a couple of months in the 10th grade, all I was interested in was music.
So for me by this time (I was 16, a year too old because I was in trouble to that extent), there was no choice. But if you're 12, well some people's parents guide them or make them do a thing.
My mother had the notion of me going to NC School of the Arts high school at 12, but (and this I do regret) I didn't have the discipline to do the work which passing the audition (as a percussionist, like I will have been preparing to be an orchestral percussionist) will have required.
She knew that regular school wasn't going to work, and it didn't in a big way.
If you're like 16 or something, or 18 and you have a choice to not be a musician, that's it, you have a choice. You can do something else and if you want to be comfortable study the things which make you gainfully employable, one supposes. I had that damage early on, no choice but music.
But yeah we've seen this topic before a few times. if you're 12, we haven't seen that perhaps.
Here its outset is 9th grade, like 14 yrs old. Or 10th, but that's called 'sophomore year' anyway.
So who knows from a crucial life decision at that age.
Except I quit after a couple of months in the 10th grade, all I was interested in was music.
So for me by this time (I was 16, a year too old because I was in trouble to that extent), there was no choice. But if you're 12, well some people's parents guide them or make them do a thing.
My mother had the notion of me going to NC School of the Arts high school at 12, but (and this I do regret) I didn't have the discipline to do the work which passing the audition (as a percussionist, like I will have been preparing to be an orchestral percussionist) will have required.
She knew that regular school wasn't going to work, and it didn't in a big way.
If you're like 16 or something, or 18 and you have a choice to not be a musician, that's it, you have a choice. You can do something else and if you want to be comfortable study the things which make you gainfully employable, one supposes. I had that damage early on, no choice but music.
But yeah we've seen this topic before a few times. if you're 12, we haven't seen that perhaps.
- KVRAF
- 7001 posts since 20 Mar, 2012 from Babbleon
I'm trying to remember if I have heard this phrase from a clip I have seen before. The first character that pooped (oops slight dyslexia there, I mean popped) in my so-called mind is Inspector Clouseau.xoxos wrote:deciding just to do music is like "diving straight for the clitoris".
This guy:
ah böwakawa poussé poussé
- KVRAF
- 7001 posts since 20 Mar, 2012 from Babbleon
I really do think that I have heard that phrase before but now I am not sure if it came from the Inspector Clouseau character but I Googled it using these words "diving straight for the clitoris clouseau" and it seems the phrase came from Monty Python's 'The Meaning of Life' movie. I must have seen the movie but I am not sure if Eric Idle's character said the phrase but I guess I might have confused his face and demeanor for Peter Seller's.
ah böwakawa poussé poussé
- KVRist
- 425 posts since 23 Aug, 2012 from Way Out West
Well, you have a couple of choices:TimeToProduce wrote:So this is a question no one has asked on this website but here we go..
So, i have to choose a high school i want to go to now. That also means i have to choose a education so i get the subjects needed to get the education i want. The thing is i want to do music. I don't know what to do, should i study music, or take another path in life and have music as a hobby..
What have you guys done?
Want to hear opinions who have a bit more experience in life.
#1. Pursue a passion! If music is one of your passions, do it. If you don't
know what your passions are yet, skip to #2.
#2. Pursue what ever you are GOOD at!
A] Best case scenario: #1 and #2. (You're both passionate and good @ something). However, few people are fortunate enough to experience this.
B] Safest option: #2. If you're good @ something but don't exactly love it, you will @ least afford yourself the means to continue doing the things you do love.
C] Riskier option: #1. You have a passion but realize you're mediocre or not very good at it. If this is you, then you'll have to weigh the risk vs. reward. If you choose to risk it, be prepared to give it everything you have but remember, hard work is only a prerequisite, not a guarantee for success. If you feel the risk is too great, go with option #2!
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- KVRian
- 1062 posts since 3 Oct, 2011 from Christchurch, New Zealand
harryupbabble wrote:it seems the phrase came from Monty Python's 'The Meaning of Life' movie. I must have seen the movie but I am not sure if Eric Idle's character said the phrase but I guess I might have confused his face and demeanor for Peter Seller's.
6:06 (leaping actually not diving)
- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
If you want to a career where you score music/compose, become classical player, or an allround producer/recording engineer, it is probably a good idea to study inside that field.TimeToProduce wrote:I don't know what to do, should i study music, or take another path in life and have music as a hobby..
If you want a career as a singer/songwriter, dj or dance music producer I don't think you need to devote a high school study to that.
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
Do both - there is nothing "either music /or education" about your problem. Whether you have a music career or music as a hobby is a decision that is so far off as to not be worth worrying aboutTimeToProduce wrote:So this is a question no one has asked on this website but here we go..
So, i have to choose a high school i want to go to now. That also means i have to choose a education so i get the subjects needed to get the education i want. The thing is i want to do music. I don't know what to do, should i study music, or take another path in life and have music as a hobby..
What have you guys done?
Want to hear opinions who have a bit more experience in life.
Nonetheless, if you are young enough to be starting high school then you can study an instrument and some theory plus do STEM or humanities. Maybe you do music study outside school because of the curriculum - that is a good thing in a lot of ways and many people do that.
All you really need to think about, as far as music goes, is where you want to be at the end of high school as a musician. I would think if you can sight read quite well and play an instrument quite well (ie at conservatorium entrance standard) then that covers the technical aspects well enough. If you need anything else that will depend on what the music universities in your country require for entrance.
On top of that get exposure to a lot of different music by having a broad listening experience. No need for more than familiarity as a listener to music across cultures and time eg outside of the current popular music you should be able to recognise music from the middle east, India, Japan, Indonesia, Brazil etc etc - Now you probably won't be able to do that but you should get familiar with music from a bunch of different cultures as a listener.
As far as don'ts go - don't worry about theory much at all, take what is interesting but mainly develop your practical skills and broaden your experience as a listener and performer. Any theory you learn at school will probably be so simplistic as to be wrong, and by having a broad listening and practical experience you will realise that anyone who says theory exists outside of specific cultural practices is wrong.
As far as school goes, choose the subjects you enjoy the most but if you are good at science do science and maths. Nobody ever said they know too much maths.
It is very difficult to make a living as a practitioner in the arts (not just music) Everyone I know who makes a living in the arts as a practitioner is quite entrepreneurial and very well trained. Most are also academics at some stage or supplement their career with teaching. Assume there is nobody out there looking for unknown creative people to promote and support. Artists spend a lot of time making their career work, not just making art.
[my experience - I have had a career as a research scientist and academic and composer. I've taught both science/IT and music at very good universities, I've had scientific papers published in peer reviewed academic journals and had (a small amount) of music performed at concert halls and festivals in Europe and Australia. My most cited paper has 500+ citations. I got kicked out of school and had to go back as an adult. I did not go to university until I was in my mid 30s]