Does FLStudio have PDC?

[Igor 4000]

I for one dont want to have more complexity added to FL studio, I want a low CPU sketch pad for my songs, and righ tnow that is what FL is

For you, FL is a sketch pad. For some of us, it is our main sequencer and, as such, we would like it to be as capable as possible. If it doesn't have a function that almost all other major sequencers have, then it's not as capable as possible. I'd prefer to use a "sequencer", not a "sketch pad".

if image line adds every crap request that 1% of the user base whines about we are going to end up with a buggy unusable bloatware app that will no longer use. AS it is now, FL studio 4 is not as easy on the CPU as V3.

If Image Line does NOT add any crap, they'll end up with a product that is so far behind the competition that there will be no reason to buy it.

[Mirabebe]

Imageline has a pretty good idea where they want to take FL. Last time i checked - they weren't hung up on implementing PDC.

What is this tantrum-like behaviour? Imageline can't please everyone - some people will always be disappointed.

It's not like you didn't get your say - you did, and you even got a reply from Gol who instead of giving you "we will consider and get back to you" stock email that you get from every PR department, actually explained to you how he feels about it.

So you and Gol don't see it the same way. Tough. Happens to me all the time.

[bmanic]

Sorry, not feeling you.

If plugs with latency give your trouble - don't use them. If you still want to use them - apply them outside of FL, in Soundforge for example.

What do you expect from us? Let's be more specific - from me for example? To join your cause?

I don't really care about PDC - i find other causes to be much more worth my involvement and lobbying and Gol doesn't feel like working on PDC because he finds other things to be more intersting and rewarding to work on.

Once PDC eventually makes it into FL in one form or another - i will go "yay PDC" and continue not caring about it.

You still think I'm talking about full PDC? Well, I'm not. I'm not trying to rally a lot of people to my cause, I'm trying to get people to understand what I'm talking about in the first place! The whole thread exploded after a lot of people simply thought I'm for full PDC, which I'm NOT, and begun flaming me.

I'd also like to remind you guys that several years ago I was not alone asking for this, heck, I wasn't even the one who started the thread back then.. and what's happened since then? Nothing. How long would it take to add the feature? My guess is 10 to 20 minutes (it is just a guess though). If it's more difficult than this then I'd like gol to just say so.

This whole situation reminds me of those people chaining themselves to a pole in front of leather stores, spraying passers-by with spraypaint and screaming with hoarse voices - all while the rest of population looks at them with mild curiosity unable to feel that much emotional involvement over a leather coat.

Guess how it looks from my side? It reminds me of a situation where somebody points out a weakness in some thing that could be very easily and effortlessly fixed and would help a handful of people to work easier but instead some bystanders without comprehending the question/remark suddenly go: " I don't get it.. *shrug* Hey, let's stone him!! ".

Sigh.. back to the dark ages.

[spaceman]

Do you little silly fanboys really understand that there are people using fruity for other stuff than composing?

remember what you told me about adult posts? not calling names?

I listened..

Well, when the definition fits, I think it's proper to call somebody that. But then again..

bManic

then don't f**king complain when i call you a girls blouse, because you damn well are

[bmanic]

Fanboy..

[DHR53]

So much for market research... But, I guess all companies would love to make the products THEY want, rather than what the customer wants... Probably come up with better stuff too!

[spaceman]

Fanboy..

girls blouse..

see, we're getting up level already

don't get me wrong btw, I do understand your problem but I can understand Gol's point of view as well. If enough people demand delay comp I'm sure he will include it (even if it's just on the master bus).. he just doesn't seem to get too many requests for it

[Mirabebe]

So much for market research... But, I guess all companies would love to make the products THEY want, rather than what the customer wants... Probably come up with better stuff too!

Imageline has a given amount of resources that they have to distribute. Since it's their business on the line - i am pretty sure they have a pretty good idea who and how they are trying to please.

[Stupid American Pig]

yawn

[spaceman]

so...

seen any good movies lately?

I haven't

[Wopelka]

so...

seen any good movies lately?

I haven't

Lost in Translation
Girl with a Pearl Earring

(now i'm in love with Scarlett Johansson)

and King Arthur, better than expected


oops sorry, wrong thread...

[Rik]

If enough people demand delay comp I'm sure he will include it (even if it's just on the master bus).. he just doesn't seem to get too many requests for it

I don't believe they care what people ask... Just see how large this thread has become and how many people have been asking this feature. But I understand his point and I guess ImageLine rather use their resources for other stuff (even though I think that "full PDC" would sound very exciting and would get people to buy and upgrade for FL5).

With this issue, what bothers me the most is that there are no simple workarounds... I'd be quite fine with any workaround... I mean when I'll be using a plug in Fruity, nothing is even going to tell me that this plug would add delay on the output. I know that these are 1% of the plugs but 90% of times I'm using compressors and I think they all require PDC.
So I guess the "workaround" would be to open the rendered wav in Sound Forge and check the delay on the beginning.

[Stupid American Pig]

You got served

oh wait, I havent seen that and its not a good movie.

[spaceman]

If enough people demand delay comp I'm sure he will include it (even if it's just on the master bus).. he just doesn't seem to get too many requests for it

I don't believe they care what people ask... Just see how large this thread has become and how many people have been asking this feature. But I understand his point and I guess ImageLine rather use their resources for other stuff (even though I think that "full PDC" would sound very exciting and would get people to buy and upgrade for FL5).

I'm just wondering how big their userbase is, and then compare that to the amount of people who have asked for pdc here. Although I haven't checked the FL forum for ages so I don't know how many people there are requesting the same thing..

[Rik]

I'm just wondering how big their userbase is, and then compare that to the amount of people who have asked for pdc here. Although I haven't checked the FL forum for ages so I don't know how many people there are requesting the same thing..

I think the point is:
-Gol: 61 samples is not important + most audio stuff is not that precise anyway + PDC would be complex to implement + PDC = 1% of the plugs;
-Users (at least here): 61 samples can be noticeable + PDC major feature + partial implementation would be ok.

So given these arguments, I don't think the number of users matters...

The fact that 61 samples is noticeable or not can be argued for long but I think PDC makes a serious difference between "pro" and "semi-pro" apps...
I remember when PDC was introduced in the VST/DX adapters, the main reason was for the hardware based plugins + SIR... These were serious concerns for Sonar users. That's still a low percentage of the plugs out there but these plugs are very serious ones... the hardware based ones are known to be the best analog compressor simulations and SIR is the only reverb known to compete with the lexicon hardware ones.

Fruity is IMO in the middle of theses two categories and few additional features could bring it to the league of the "pro" ones.