Bazille - most misunderstood synth?

[pdxindy]

Some people think that it's a substitute for a more traditional modular. It isn't, I've explained this over and over so I won't explain it again.

Yeah... cause a real modular substitute would be monophonic and have no presets

Seriously, I find Bazille makes a pretty good modular substitute... It scratches that itch for me anyway.

[ghettosynth]

Some people think that it's a substitute for a more traditional modular. It isn't, I've explained this over and over so I won't explain it again.

Yeah... cause a real modular substitute would be monophonic and have no presets

Seriously, I find Bazille makes a pretty good modular substitute... It scratches that itch for me anyway.

But you understand FM. Again, I've explained this over and over, the oscillators have very different controls and achieving the same goal is often done in different ways. This leads to people think that it's dark and noisy. It's very easy to get dreck out of the oscillators and the controls are not intuitive at all if you are expecting a more traditional oscillator.

A traditional modular does not generally have oscillators like Bazille. So people coming at it from that background and thinking that it's just a super ACE are misunderstanding it. There are examples of this in the first 20 pages of this thread.

What you find isn't indicative of the larger market. I don't even think that it's indicative of the larger modular market.

[martinjuenke]

If Bazille is a substitute for a modular setup then at least Aalto, Pulsar900 and NI Blocks are cool ones as well...

[pdxindy]

If Bazille is a substitute for a modular setup then at least Aalto, Pulsar900 and NI Blocks are cool ones as well...

The later 2 yes... but Aalto is not actually very modular. You have separate modulation and audio paths and the audio path is fixed. You cannot do anything like take the output of the filter and patch it back into the Osc and so on.

[martinjuenke]

If Bazille is a substitute for a modular setup then at least Aalto, Pulsar900 and NI Blocks are cool ones as well...

The later 2 yes... but Aalto is not actually very modular. You have separate modulation and audio paths and the audio path is fixed. You cannot do anything like take the output of the filter and patch it back into the Osc and so on.

I disagree: read the f**king manual or (better) work with it...

[chk071]

If Bazille is a substitute for a modular setup then at least Aalto, Pulsar900 and NI Blocks are cool ones as well...

The later 2 yes... but Aalto is not actually very modular. You have separate modulation and audio paths and the audio path is fixed. You cannot do anything like take the output of the filter and patch it back into the Osc and so on.

I disagree: read the f**king manual or (better) work with it...

What exactly do you disagree with?

[deastman]

I keep seeing this selling for such low prices in the market - yet I think it's u-he's coolest synth. I do understand how the relatively low learning curve is intimidating (I used only presets exclusively for almost a year) - but it is a small learning curve. For me, it's my most creative synth - and I know it all boils down to how we individually relate to the UI and flow.

33 pages on, all because the OP thinks this synth has a low learning curve, a small learning curve, sells cheap on the used market, he only used presets for a year, and it is therefore the most misunderstood synth?

[Dasheesh]

It sells cheaply on the second hand market because it's cpu intensive, which some people have to try before they believe it. It works fine on an I5 for the most part, but it will hit ceiling on a few patches and on high quality mode with polyphony. On older macs it gets these phantom cpu spikes still as well. That is why it's always up for sale on the second hand market. You pay for quality with cpu cycles though.

[Bodhisan]

It sells cheaply on the second hand market because it's cpu intensive, which some people have to try before they believe it. It works fine on an I5 for the most part, but it will hit ceiling on a few patches and on high quality mode with polyphony. On older macs it gets these phantom cpu spikes still as well. That is why it's always up for sale on the second hand market. You pay for quality with cpu cycles though.

If that were true, then Diva would sell cheaply on the second-hand market. But that's not so...

[twal]

Maybe because people think it's interesting, then try it to find out it's not so "bread and butter". I think Bazille could be your main synth, but I find it to be your second beauty after you have your Blue 2, Zebra2, Dune 2, Electra 2, etc. Of course it can be daunting as well. I also find that the presets do not sound like anything particularly popular right now, and find Bazille to be that extra flavor that's crazy when you add it to your recipe. Urs has said himself he doesn't cater to what people want but designs things he finds interesting to himself. I do not believe most other companies approach development in the same way. I also believe that when people buy an U-He product, they eventually buy another because they are so good. And when you have your Diva, Zebra, or Hive, and Bazille as well, when you got to get rid of something rather adjunct you are probably going to opt for Bazille. This is not to put down Bazille because if anything, I find it to be the most interesting synth and as far as money can buy it is one of the best deals out of all the synths you can possibly buy. As well as unique. And totally surreal. But if you are the regular guy who isn't a synth head, you will probably keep your Synthmaster if you're downgrading. As far as presets go, I believe someone said they are poor sellers? If so, I think it may be that one can throw some random stuff together that sounds computer-like to add to some mix. Not to say the sound designers for Bazille aren't good, but people can add their own salt to a dish and it doesn't have to be pink sea salt. I do not have Bazille, but it will be one of few that I purchase to learn when I do that, and I like to master few than dabble so I won't be a guy with 50 synths.

[Dasheesh]

It sells cheaply on the second hand market because it's cpu intensive, which some people have to try before they believe it. It works fine on an I5 for the most part, but it will hit ceiling on a few patches and on high quality mode with polyphony. On older macs it gets these phantom cpu spikes still as well. That is why it's always up for sale on the second hand market. You pay for quality with cpu cycles though.

If that were true, then Diva would sell cheaply on the second-hand market. But that's not so...

You make a good argument there. It made me pause. But, then I thought... I see bazille on the market just as much as Diva right?

[Dasheesh]

You know what I rarely see on the market? I'll give you three guesses and it starts with H.

[Urs]

I'll give you three guesses and it starts with H.

Interesting... there was a thread some time ago where someone said he sees H on the market all the time.

I guess there are fluctuations...

[Dasheesh]

I'll give you three guesses and it starts with H.

Interesting... there was a thread some time ago where someone said he sees H on the market all the time.

I guess there are fluctuations...

If you say so, but I don't hang out on the market threads much. I just never see it personally. You would have the numbers though.

[incubus]

Hey, I got my "H" on the second hand market (sorry Urs) so, I have no idea what that means.

Presets and usage of Bazille were fine as far as I was concerned, and it looks cool. But the cpu was just too intense. If I was a synth-head then maybe it would be worth it but when I hit a key and the cpu starts racing to the finish line, I have to bow out.