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Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:39 pm

Why are you repeating this rediculous "61 samples" mantra? Do you personally even understand what it is about? Why 61 and not 62 or 59? Maybe it's sometimes 23?

You are basing your whole post on that imaginary number "61 samples". And in your mind - implementing full PDC makes those "61 samples" go away? Or what?

What i am trying to make abundantly clear - is that there's one or two people in this thread who actually understand what they are talking about when they ask for PDC - and there are those who have some vague notion and believe that they are "not PRO unless their host has PDC because it has 61 samples".

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:51 pm

He's bashing the 61 samples because gol's argument is that the ONLY fruity plugin that has any latency is the compressor, which has 61 samples of latency. Also, it's been bashed because most here didn't understand at all the whole point from the start.

The main point is this: Why on earth has this not been implemented from the very day fruityloops started supporting vst plugins as it's a part of the vst spec. Steinberg who made the vst spec implemented this feature the very first time they used it, in nasty old cubase VST

.

That is the point.

bManic

Ps. I might have found another workaround again.. using a Vst2Dx wrapper. Need to investigate this a bit further.

Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:00 pm

Well you got some followers supporting your cause, can't complain about that, can you? Doesn't matter if they don't really comprehend what the issue is - as long as they are on your side, right?

Speaks volumes what a charismatic natural leader you are.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:01 pm

up to you of coarse but really maybe it's time to give it up.

Fruity is an app you use and lump it, if it works for you great, if it doesnt your f**ked mate.

there is no user input, if they wont listen to guys that actually help fix major bugs there is no chance at all they are gonna listen to end users.

also remember you cannot say anything or suggest anything without the Fruity Fanboys jumping on your head, this has and imo will always be the way.

if you want to see real user input pop over to the energy XT forum, not one single locked thread afaik.

now stand by for Fanboy mania and teenage style replies.

bmanic wrote:He's bashing the 61 samples because gol's argument is that the ONLY fruity plugin that has any latency is the compressor, which has 61 samples of latency. Also, it's been bashed because most here didn't understand at all the whole point from the start.

The main point is this: Why on earth has this not been implemented from the very day fruityloops started supporting vst plugins as it's a part of the vst spec. Steinberg who made the vst spec implemented this feature the very first time they used it, in nasty old cubase VST .

That is the point.

bManic

Ps. I might have found another workaround again.. using a Vst2Dx wrapper. Need to investigate this a bit further.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:05 pm

had 2 say something here. I don't even use floops, though i have collaborated with a friend who uses it - imho the lack of delay compensation can be a problem - if one is using quality mastering limiters etc. - and as has been stated here a number of times it's should be easy enough 2 recode the software so that it compensates as it has been part of the vst spec since day one.
The only other thing i would say is that after reading this thread (and i've saved it to my hd so that i can take it to a freinds studio later this week) I would never even consider buying floops due to the strange attitude of this gol dude - one of floops developers i take it (surely he can't be a p.r. man - unless he's presently on crack, or having a breakdown or something), why does this guy seem to NOT WANT to get it? damn, most developers i've come into contact wth recently seem to actively encourage healthy discussion about their software (e.g. energyxt & tracktion) & carry out meaningful dialougue with their users - but this dude - i dunno bmanic - respect fella, im with ya, but i think your facing a sisyphus like task here mate.

Rik · Post by **Rik** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:06 pm

Mirabebe wrote:Why are you repeating this rediculous "61 samples" mantra? Do you personally even understand what it is about?

I don't think it is any constructive to argue who know better what PDC is about.

I did some tests by myself, here are some other numbers: Trackplug with 2 ms lookahead adds 61 samples, with 5 ms lookahead adds around 120. Voxengo Voxformer, about 60 samples too. So I guess that for the compressors category, it is going to be around the same number around 0.001 sec. The issue there is that even this low amount can make loops click (which is what I use Fruity for...).

Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:09 pm

What a swell idea Topaz! It would be such a joy if you listen to your own words and stop butting in with your curious little nose into threads about FL, since you no longer use it an everything. That would be great, yeah, m-kay?

You're like our little Moses - leading those lonely souls to the promised land.

Fruity is an app you use and lump it, if it works for you great, if it doesnt your f**ked mate.

Yeah, kind of like everything you buy when you go to the store? I am sure every car manufacturer you ever purchased a car from was just delighted to take your guidance on what they should do differently next time they really want to make a good car.

topaz · Post by **topaz** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:11 pm

Bingo.

Mirabebe wrote:What a swell idea Topaz! It would be such a joy if you listen to your own words and stop butting in with your curious little nose into threads about FL, since you no longer use it an everything. That would be great, yeah, m-kay?

You're like our little Moses - leading those lonely souls to the promised land.

Fruity is an app you use and lump it, if it works for you great, if it doesnt your f**ked mate.
Yeah, kind of like everything you buy when you go to the store? I am sure every car manufacturer you ever purchased a car from was just delighted to take your guidance on what they should do differently next time they really want to make a good car.

Glooper · Post by **Glooper** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:14 pm

bmanic wrote:The main point is this: Why on earth has this not been implemented from the very day fruityloops started supporting vst plugins as it's a part of the vst spec. Steinberg who made the vst spec implemented this feature the very first time they used it, in nasty old cubase VST .

I don't think that's true... Cubase SL1 SX1 only support it on inserts... I know this through the frustration I have whenever I want to use SIR as a send effect...

Ben

( DISCLAIMER : I know nothing )

Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:15 pm

Rik wrote: I did some tests by myself, here are some other numbers: Trackplug with 2 ms lookahead adds 61 samples, with 5 ms lookahead adds around 120. Voxengo Voxformer, about 60 samples too. So I guess that for the compressors category, it is going to be around the same number around 0.001 sec. The issue there is that even this low amount can make loops click (which is what I use Fruity for...).

Well then don't use it? Either FL or the plugs, up to you?

I really don't undestand some of these posts.
Personally - i think Tracktion is a pretty shitty concept and i don't like it, nor do i use it - shall i go to Tracktion forums and start suggesting to Jules exactly what he needs to do so that it appeals to me?

Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:17 pm

topaz wrote:Bingo.

Yay for you, glad that i am such i good partner in your imaginary game. As long as you are happy.

TheWall · Post by **TheWall** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:24 pm

Mirabebe wrote:I really don't undestand some of these posts.
Personally - i think Tracktion is a pretty shitty concept and i don't like it, nor do i use it - shall i go to Tracktion forums and start suggesting to Jules exactly what he needs to do so that it appeals to me?

Err Ken, that wasn't what you said before

. Also, that guy was referring to Wavearts TrackPlug, not Tracktion's plug.

BTW, albeit some ppl don't agree with gol, but you guys have to admit that gol usually has a point of view behind his argument.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:27 pm

Hey Live 4.0 doesn't have PDC either... let's go over there and 'get em' ...

(lights torch, and heads for the door)!!

Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:34 pm

Err Ken, that wasn't what you said before

Thats because i am not Ken

No, really.

BTW, albeit some ppl don't agree with gol, but you guys have to admit that gol usually has a point of view behind his argument.

It's pretty rediculous:

A: - Gol can you do that?
Gol: - No, because i don't feel that i need to.
A: - Sky is falling.

Is it like this only on online forums, people lose touch with reality? Or maybe it's certain types of people who feel that their agenda should be everyone's agenda?

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:34 pm

DHR53 wrote:Hey Live 4.0 doesn't have PDC either... let's go over there and 'get em' ...

(lights torch, and heads for the door)!!

don't forget your pitchfork

Does FLStudio have PDC?