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[fmr]

Here is a example how good the Arturia JP8v actually is.

The first half is Arturia and the second one is the Jupiter 8 Plugout.
http://picosong.com/GKWT

I could not notice any difference. Sure, the sound is a bland one, without really pushing the filter to its boundaries, but, based on other comments, the Roland plug-out takes about 45% of a CPU with 8 voices poltphony, while the Arturia takes only 7%.

I'd say that, if not for anything else, in the the ratio CPU/quality the Arturia JP8 V wins by a big margin.

The CPU amounts mentioned are from me posted in te otehr thread about t5he new new Jupiter 8 plugin.

Currently i compare the Roland Jupiter 8 to both Arturia Jup-8 V3 and the Jupiter 8 in U-He Diva.

With the Synth Brass patch i currently use in all 3 the Arturia plugin is very close to the Roland while at the moment Diva seems to win compared to those, also in terms of pure "fatness".

FWIW i always thouht the Arturia plugin sounds quite good, independent of how close it is to the real thing.

Hi Ingo. Yes, I was quoting your observations regarding CPU taxing

Just to be sure, those percentages were checked with that Brass patch you mention, right?

[Ingonator]

Just to be sure, those percentages were checked with that Brass patch you mention, right?

Yes, with similar patches. U-He Diva with "Divine" mode (and multicore off) could use more CPU than the Roland plugin but with "Great" quality is uses less.

A big problem with the Roland plugin is that it always uses the maximum amount of CPU, even if no note is played or when playing only 1 of 8 voices. You could only reduce the CPU load by reducing the maximum voices in the options (options are 8, 6 or 4 or 2 voices for the poly modes where 8 seems to be the default).
The CPU use i mentioned earlier is for 8 voices.

[cocoazenith]

There's also a new Anthology product "Anthology 1985" which comprises of the two Alpha Junos released in the same year.

[fmr]

There's also a new Anthology product "Anthology 1985" which comprises of the two Alpha Junos released in the same year.

If it compares with the "Anthology" of the Roland D-50, it's useless (only 64 sounds, and very limited in terms of edition). Besides, the Alpha Junos barely justify the attention, IMO.

[ghettosynth]

Here is a example how good the Arturia JP8v actually is.

The first half is Arturia and the second one is the Jupiter 8 Plugout.
http://picosong.com/GKWT

I could not notice any difference. Sure, the sound is a bland one, without really pushing the filter to its boundaries, but, based on other comments, the Roland plug-out takes about 45% of a CPU with 8 voices poltphony, while the Arturia takes only 7%.

I'd say that, if not for anything else, in the the ratio CPU/quality the Arturia JP8 V wins by a big margin.

I can hear a difference, but, it's not clear to me that the difference isn't just settings. There is definitely more low end in the Arturia sample and the tail of the high end sounds less muddy in the Roland.

But, yeah, for a sound like this, who gives a shit. I'd do this in Diva, or really, ACE, and be done with it.

I'm sure that people will drone on about how close or not close these things are to the real thing for days, but, if that's what you're getting out of the plugin, or the real thing, I don't really get the value of the conversation in the first place.

Keep in mind that I'm not a synth fetishist at all, even though I own quite a few vintage Roland synths. Diva pretty much gets the job done for me in terms of Roland poly emulation. I have the Arturia, which can be ok, but it's not quite there for me.

There is just no way in hell that this stuff comes close to being worth the kind of money that Roland thinks that they are. Even if they were able to compete with Diva in terms of quality I don't think that they're interesting.

[D-Fusion]

Here is a example how good the Arturia JP8v actually is.

The first half is Arturia and the second one is the Jupiter 8 Plugout.
http://picosong.com/GKWT

I could not notice any difference. Sure, the sound is a bland one, without really pushing the filter to its boundaries, but, based on other comments, the Roland plug-out takes about 45% of a CPU with 8 voices poltphony, while the Arturia takes only 7%.

I'd say that, if not for anything else, in the the ratio CPU/quality the Arturia JP8 V wins by a big margin.

I agree. It was a quick test to see the bass response and test off the adsr behaviors.

[fmr]

I think Roland is simply too late for the party. Entering now, they would have to come up with something that would standout in terms of quality, while being competitive in terms of price, features and CPU consumption.

It seems their plug-outs are nothing of this. They are one-to-one match with the hardware counterparts (which, most of them were rather limited, only justifiable then by the technology available but no longer nowadays), not that special soundwise (this based on others observations, since I didn't try them myself yet), more expensive, with less polyphony, and tax heavily the CPU.

For that, yes, something like DIVA wins anyday, in terms of versatility and features. And when Urs comes out with a version 2.0, adding things like the Synthex modules, it will become even better (not anytime soon, though, at least not this year).

But that's me, of course. Others may prefer something that uses the real brand

They may have bigger success with the D-50, though, but only because that one will not have any competitor. But NOT if confining it to the subscription model.

[Ingonator]

While i have not finished comparisons yet so far i still prefer both Diva and Arturia Jup-8V against the Roland plugin.
The Roland plugin does not seem to offer something that i would really need compared to those and at least for me it is not worth paying the subsciption just for this plugin, even with the current price of 19.95$ per month.

The Roland plugin could be nice when used with the System-8 hardware and i guess the overall sound could be slightly different there.

Anyway i still doubt that any of the existing plugins really 100% nail the sound of the real thing even if they might match for certain patches.

[sinemotor]

So apparently Roland is going to release more presets for their "Anthology 1987". Now what is more exciting is that they are also working on a proper Roland D50 Plug-Out.

Quote from Jeremy Soule (composer who is also working with Roland) on a YT video :

"The 1987 is meant to provide a "lighter" (from a processor standpoint) and "easier" to use instrument as a quick way to get up and running. More volumes of 1987 are on the way. And, the Concerto engine is actually running ACB for filters etc for a high-definition Roland Remastered sound. But this should get you excited... A full simulation of the D-50 with full functionality is in our upcoming product lineup for this year at Roland Cloud. So we are offering many different approaches to vintage synths with these different offerings providing many different capabilities. Stay tuned!!"

Really excited about this tbh.

[D-Fusion]

While i have not finished comparisons yet so far i still prefer both Diva and Arturia Jup-8V against the Roland plugin.
The Roland plugin does not seem to offer something that i would really need compared to those and at least for me it is not worth paying the subsciption just for this plugin, even with the current price of 19.95$ per month.

The Roland plugin could be nice when used with the System-8 hardware and i guess the overall sound could be slightly different there.

Anyway i still doubt that any of the existing plugins really 100% nail the sound of the real thing even if they might match for certain patches.

I agree
I don't have Diva but the Arturia JP8V is great even against the new acb synth.
What i liked more on the Roland was the Crossmod but that is not something i would use too much.

I also liked the Tal uno LX over the Roland 106 plugout too
Since i own the Roland JP08 i am halfway there anyway so no need for a double vision gui and 4 times cpu usage for 4 more notes.

I really wanted to like these but i get dizzy looking at the gui for a while.

[zerocrossing]

While i have not finished comparisons yet so far i still prefer both Diva and Arturia Jup-8V against the Roland plugin.
The Roland plugin does not seem to offer something that i would really need compared to those and at least for me it is not worth paying the subsciption just for this plugin, even with the current price of 19.95$ per month.

The Roland plugin could be nice when used with the System-8 hardware and i guess the overall sound could be slightly different there.

Anyway i still doubt that any of the existing plugins really 100% nail the sound of the real thing even if they might match for certain patches.

I agree
I don't have Diva but the Arturia JP8V is great even against the new acb synth.
What i liked more on the Roland was the Crossmod but that is not something i would use too much.

I also liked the Tal uno LX over the Roland 106 plugout too
Since i own the Roland JP08 i am halfway there anyway so no need for a double vision gui and 4 times cpu usage for 4 more notes.

I really wanted to like these but i get dizzy looking at the gui for a while.

I disagree. The Arturia has that signature Arturia dead high end, and Diva has something in the high end of those oscs that make my teeth grate. IMO, the Jupiter 8 plug in nails what I think of as "analog warmth." Bright and present, but never shrill... and oh! Look! Jup-8 V3 just took down Live!

I agree on Roland's UI though. Too tiny to use at 100% on my screen and 200% makes me think I'm not wearing my glasses.

My biggest issue is the Roland Cloud thing. I buy plug ins when I get some money for Christmas or my birthday. I guess I could allocate $228 of that to a year's worth of Roland Cloud... but I already bought System 100, which makes me feel like I got screwed over. Roland should let you put the cash you spent on their old purchase policy on the first payment of the Roland Cloud. I guess I could look at it as if I'm buying a plug in a year (a pretty expensive one) but getting a whole lot of plug ins. I'm pretty interested in their D50 too... hm.

[cocoazenith]

So apparently Roland is going to release more presets for their "Anthology 1987". Now what is more exciting is that they are also working on a proper Roland D50 Plug-Out.

Quote from Jeremy Soule (composer who is also working with Roland) on a YT video :

"The 1987 is meant to provide a "lighter" (from a processor standpoint) and "easier" to use instrument as a quick way to get up and running. More volumes of 1987 are on the way. And, the Concerto engine is actually running ACB for filters etc for a high-definition Roland Remastered sound. But this should get you excited... A full simulation of the D-50 with full functionality is in our upcoming product lineup for this year at Roland Cloud. So we are offering many different approaches to vintage synths with these different offerings providing many different capabilities. Stay tuned!!"

Really excited about this tbh.

that's good news. ironically i just bought a d-50 this week after several years of hesitation. LOL.

[egbert101]

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[MFXxx]

How often do users need to keep connecting to the internet to keep the plugin(s) active?
Must say though the Juno 106 and 8 do sounds nice.
Admittedly im on a 1st gen i7, fund 106 and J* using 50% of asio load. System 8 running about 80%asio load with a lots of crackling on at48khz/256buffer in cubase on Win10.
Be a lot more interested in buying what I like rather than paying a monthly lump for a lot I wont.
Double up on the GUIs way too small and couldnt work out hot to assign midi cc's

[Mogular]

How often do users need to keep connecting to the internet to keep the plugin(s) active?

If I am not connected to the net I cannot open the authorised version of the plugin.

Very frustrating. Roland needs to fix some things before this is something I want to spend money on.
Why can't I save a patch in the roland format?? - I have to use the DAW preset saving. Even then, on the Jupiter I get some whacky parameter shifts when I recall a preset saved in logic.

The tiny gui is also a major let down. This feels so hobbled in a vague attempt to make people go and buy the hardware. But that wont ever happen with me (and I imagine many others) so why not spend the time on making the gui usable?