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DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:14 pm

Not a surprise, as Neutron has replaced it.

But:
-- customer support for Alloy lasts for 12 months from purchase only.
-- the preferential price for the upgrade from Alloy to Neutron is for March only.

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:23 am

Sad to read this, as Neutron doesn't cover Alloy2 entirely.

heks · Post by **heks** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:37 am

DarkStar wrote: -- the preferential price for the upgrade from Alloy to Neutron is for March only.

Not much of a "preferential" upgrade price here. I own Alloy and nine other izotope products (paid for not including those free ones) and there's no difference for upgrade/cross grade. Alloy discontinuation would suggest that izotope see Neutron as its replacement and common practice is to offer existing users a "preferential" upgrade path,,,,or, have I just not received one, just a generic coupon. Its cheaper for me to buy from a retailer than use the izotope so called "upgrade coupon".

steff3 · Post by **steff3** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:10 am

Well, the whole product policy of Izotope seems pretty much - who cares about the users. Products get discontinued (the fft delay, now alloy), Iris2 was a rather harsh update (patches did no longer work). They have insanely high regular prices with huge discounts all the time ...

It seems hardly any intermediate updates for products ....

Of course, they have the right to do that - but as a customer you should be prepared to that.

Just my thoughts
best

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:15 am

^ Well said.

This company has become really stupid imho.

dreamvoid · Post by **dreamvoid** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:34 am

Aloysius wrote:^ Well said.

This company has become really stupid imho.

Yes. I bought a lot of stuff from iZotope but stopped it for exactly this reason. I hope they exchange their management soon.

Daimonicon · Post by **Daimonicon** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:17 pm

This is something Steinberg have done in the past too. The problem is that dev's can do what they want and want to force users to pay more for something else they dont want or need and want the users to be so excited as they are and users open their wallets.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:19 pm

Why are users "forced to pay more for something else", when you can just go on using Alloy? That's like arguing that you can't use your fully functioning computer's keyboard anymore, because the manufacturer doesn't produce the model anymore.

filkertom · Post by **filkertom** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:52 pm

I was gonna say. I'm perfectly happy with Alloy, and don't need to pay for an upgrade anytime soon.

1wob2many · Post by **1wob2many** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:32 pm

Daimonicon wrote:The problem is that dev's can do what they want and want to force users to pay more for something else they dont want or need and want the users to be so excited as they are and users open their wallets.

The naivety would be charming if it wasn't so depressing.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:38 pm

chk071 wrote:Why are users "forced to pay more for something else", when you can just go on using Alloy? That's like arguing that you can't use your fully functioning computer's keyboard anymore, because the manufacturer doesn't produce the model anymore.

That would be true if one wouldn't update the operating system ever again. I remember hearing the same argument when NI killed off Kore. Sure. I can still use it. But not on my main machine. It works, but is a hassle.

/C

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:28 pm

DrGonzo wrote:I remember hearing the same argument when NI killed off Kore.

It is interesting that people still come up with that antique example. I have a lot of stuff installed here, which has seen its last update a while ago now, still using Helix e.g., which had the last update in 2013, or Dune CM/BE, which also have been on this version for a long time. Yet people always dig out the rare, and expensive stuff, which really stopped working. Your keyboard could stop working with the next Windows, or MacOS version too. Or your display. Or anything else from your computer hardware. TBH, at least in the Windows world, i wouldn't worry too much though, as most, say, 99% of the stuff IS still compatible in newer OS versions, no matter if it has been discontinued or not. I own many games which haven't been supported since Windows 7, or Win Vista, even Win XP, and 99% just work. And for the 1% which doesn't, i feel like the respective companies "forced" me to buy their newer games.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:32 pm

DrGonzo wrote:
chk071 wrote:Why are users "forced to pay more for something else", when you can just go on using Alloy? That's like arguing that you can't use your fully functioning computer's keyboard anymore, because the manufacturer doesn't produce the model anymore.
That would be true if one wouldn't update the operating system ever again. I remember hearing the same argument when NI killed off Kore. Sure. I can still use it. But not on my main machine. It works, but is a hassle.

/C

Ironically it has survived a lot better than iZotope Spectron has which was discontinued much later and only barely works in a couple of hosts for me now, and that with all sorts of problems.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:48 pm

chk071 wrote:
DrGonzo wrote:I remember hearing the same argument when NI killed off Kore.
It is interesting that people still come up with that antique example. I have a lot of stuff installed here, which has seen its last update a while ago now, still using Helix e.g., which had the last update in 2013, or Dune CM/BE, which also have been on this version for a long time. Yet people always dig out the rare, and expensive stuff, which really stopped working. Your keyboard could stop working with the next Windows, or MacOS version too. Or your display. Or anything else from your computer hardware. TBH, at least in the Windows world, i wouldn't worry too much though, as most, say, 99% of the stuff IS still compatible in newer OS versions, no matter if it has been discontinued or not. I own many games which haven't been supported since Windows 7, or Win Vista, even Win XP, and 99% just work. And for the 1% which doesn't, i feel like the respective companies "forced" me to buy their newer games.

Antique or not. It is a very real problem in my setup. The same goes for Keymap Pro. Two pieces of software that I rely heavily on that has no replacement.

/C

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:50 pm

Ok, but, at some point, a software, or hardware will be discontinued. That's the reality. And, actually, i'm cooler with company which announce that their product is discontinued, than with companies, who just let a product run out, without announcing anything. A few years ago, one could have meant that Sylenth1 is absolutely dead, for example. Then, out of nowhere, Lennardigital released an update, and is even present in the company's forum again. Very vague, and unsure for the customers.

Alloy 2 now discontinued