Does FLStudio have PDC?

[jmh]

Mirabebe, it's a natural way for a conversation to evolve, therefore the simplification "you asked for PDC, you got your answer" is rather redundant. But hey, if trying to discuss things further or posing other questions is somehow unacceptable... another thread could be in order. As long as it doesn't go the same way this thread went.

JMH

[Mirabebe]

You asked for PDC. You were told that it would be useful, but there will be no work done on it now. You were told that it will possibly make it into FL someday.

I actually don't remember reading all this, but nonetheless it's good news and, very hopefully, good enough to put an end to this miserable thread.

See Gol's reply:

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 441#660441

Another suggestion to end this thread, Mirabebe, would be to share with us some of the new goodies in version 5

It would be alot more fun than talking about PDC thats for sure.[/quote]

[Mirabebe]

But hey, if trying to discuss things further or posing other questions is somehow unacceptable...

As far as i recall - you are not even a registered user, but you sure seem to know alot about FL and want to have a go at submitting requests too, eh?

[DHR53]

Wait a minute... who's Ken? I thought he was Vlad the Impaler!

[Mirabebe]

And where the f**k is Waldo?

[DHR53]

You are the former Vlad... from the Fruity forum, No??

[bmanic]

Now be nice people..

News: I tried the spinaudio Vst to Dx wrapper but it didn't help. Any ideas where I can find a demo version of FXpansions adapter? I tried browsing trough their site but failed to find any.

Have I understood wrong or is latency compensation built into directX plugins? This means it should compensate for small latencies on the master channel, no?

Cheers!
bManic

[spaceman]

Have I understood wrong or is latency compensation built into directX plugins?

would surprise me if it is, or if it works
although I've seen in mentioned somewhere

[jmh]

As far as i recall - you are not even a registered user, but you sure seem to know alot about FL and want to have a go at submitting requests too, eh?

Oh well, I made a remark about piracy accusations a long time ago and it took until now for that to surface?-) Geez.

Yes, I do know a lot about FL. Amazing, isn't it? With all the demo versions available throughout its history, not to mention collaborating with people who use it (some of them use it for a living)...

I said it earlier, I like it, I'm interested in it, I'd like to know about a couple of things that are a concern to me - possibly for other people too. Imagine this, buying an app of a certain price and realizing plugins that might have cost a lot more don't behave well with the app...

I also mentioned that primarily I'm trying to engage in a discussion with the developer with some of the concerns. Which went along rather well until 3rd parties decided to intervene the discussion and take it into new directions.

It shouldn't be by no means illegal to ask questions, make suggestions for new features or improvements unless one is registered, now would it?-) I'd understand your attitude and snide remarks and general patrionising a lot better had I (or anyone else originally asking questions in this thread) yelling about not purchasing the app or threatening with badmouthing it or whatever unless my demands were met - I along others asked questions. It's called conversation, honestly

I see and understand Gol's points regarding replying nonregistered users, but see, that's the surprising part, he did reply, without any of this fanboy-style piracy accusation, name calling etc we've witnessed over and over. And I was assuming he'd continue participating in this conversation until things went as they went.

Nobody would be surprised if I mentioned that all the conversations I've had with developers on real life, email and irc (yes, I know a bunch of them and have been involved with some products one way or another, like a lot of other people on KVR) have gone way better. Only on forums it's possible for the loyal followers of an app to rudely intervene, start throwing dirt on everybody and generally contribute nothing but grievance to the discussion. This isn't targeted at you directly, it's an observation made from KVR on about every thread discussing any particular host, synth, effect etc... you should see where I'm going with this?

JMH

[Rik]

hm. i dont really get it. if you want to make decent music you have to work with effects. normally you would apply compressors on the different drums and nearly all other channels. a little reverb here, delay there, maybe a limiter? all this neat little stuff (talking about vst-plugs like those nice voxengo effects not the build in fl studio effects). so to make a complete track you maybe have plenty effects running. so without pdc at all, even if i would render the track to wave in fl studio will let some channels be played back delayed and others not?! or is just the whole wave output that is rendered delayed and leaving a little silence in front and maybe a little cut at the end? i am just curious. if the whole thing is delayed together (all the tracks equally) then this would be okay with me for now, if they get delayed differently (dependig on how much delay the individual effects like compressors introduce to the channel) this would be a major bug, wouldnt it?

Gol doesn't call that a bug... Without any kind of PDC, each track can be delayed (by several samples) depending where you put your plugs. I assume each track is going to be delayed by the inserts delay and each bus output could be delayed too.
I can imagine this causing phasing issues...
But don't forget it is a minimal delay and most plugs (excluding compressors, SIR, hardware stuff) don't add any delay.

For such task, don't use FL. It does not have PDC and is not going to have it (or maybe suddently one day according to Gol?). That's the conclusion of this thread. And FL5 won't have it neither.

hm. and dont forget to be NICE to other humans! its worth it

That'd be the best improvement for this thread...

[Hink]

While most of the FL userbase, especially those most active on forums, are aspiring wannabe bedroom techno DJs still battling with understanding basic terms related to music and production,

JMH

not all my friend, that can be your perception....but not all fl users are newbies, novices, or wannabes. Myself I started my musical journey in 1971. I take exception to such generalizations. I have spent more hours playing then many have breathing...I don't appreciate being catagorized by the actions of others.

I think that was a kind of shallow and blanketed statement. But it's all good just wanted you to know there are some floopers who know what they're doing..and appreciate FL as a valuable tool...

[Mirabebe]

As far as i recall - you are not even a registered user, but you sure seem to know alot about FL and want to have a go at submitting requests too, eh?

Oh well, I made a remark about piracy accusations a long time ago and it took until now for that to surface?-) Geez.

What accusations? We are having a conversation.

And in the spirit of conversation here's a question: Are you using FL illegally?

I am very familiar with a moral foundation that you don't have to pay for it until it meets all your criteria. Or you don't have to pay for it because support sucks. Or because developers are rude. Or whatever other reason - but it never means that you should stop using it. And ofcourse - one glorious day every wrong will be righted - because you will actually pay for it. But not now.

Am i close?

[spaceman]

I only started to make remarks when -after some grounded sarcastic remarks on my side- some people told me to piss off just because I happened to disagree with them (you should know that if you've read the thread as thoroughly as you previously implied).. funnily enough, I have already engaged in normal discussions with the same people who told me to go away, but your latests posts seemed to ignore that fact. You just brought something up that was already old news, how do you expect me to react? I also had already acknowledged the problem, but still you saw it fit to bring up some retarded remark about me (and others) not understanding the problem. And then you accuse us of not reading the thread, where it's quite obvious you haven't done so yourself.

I'm more than willing to have a decent discussion but leave the crap behind yourself then too.

[Mirabebe]

This means it should compensate for small latencies on the master channel, no?

It's not going to work like that.

Since you only really care for master channel two possible avenues for you would be:

- Use a third-party tool of some sort, like Soundforge to "master" your loops.

- Render with extra and clip the loop to size.

[bmanic]

Mirabebe, guess what my two workarounds have been so far for the past 5 years? You did read trough the thread from the beginning, no?

Seriously, I'm ok with all this, I just thought it would be an easy thing to fix and I still think so untill gol corrects me. The pain of 3rd party workarounds (using an audio editor to cut/add final effects) has become most evident lately because of this sample site project. It's one of the reasons I wanted to point out the lack of simple compensation on the master channel in the first place. Trust me, making hundreds of loops and then needing a workaround that takes about 3 minutes / loop is not very nice but doable.

I'm off to the contryside now where my studio setup is at, to make some more loops and noises! Argh! I really hope you guys will like em when they're out as it's been hard work. Oh, and there are some free new vst plugins too at the site coded by our wizard programmer at CM&T. Untill then..

Cheers!
bManic