KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:33 pm

Feel free to develop a complex piece of software, run that on thousands of different machines, and with hundreds of different plugins, even on different OS architectures, and nail out any bug there is. Good luck.

fluffy_little_something · Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:59 pm

That's why I said that one problem is the ever increasing complexity of software, which automatically leads to more bugs. But people will all but stop buying a product if it stays the same and no features are added.

Apart from that, it is not only a matter of being able to fix all bugs, but whether or not they care enough to even try. Not all companies have the same business ethics and moral standards...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:04 pm

A big moral standard when you run a business will be to make enough money to be able to pay your employees... and live well from your business. A badly run business will not attract many customers, hence you will be keen on making a quality product everyone wants to buy and use. Considering that you spoke about "big businesses", those will the ones with the most customers. So, i don't know exactly why you feel like small businesses would have better business ethics, or moral standards, whatever you consider those.

Anyway, i don't see any of the issues described in the OP could be down to the developers, if other people don't suffer from them. Someone who ONLY has issues, whatever he is using, most likely produces the issues himself.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:24 pm

JerGoertz wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:Hmmmm ... all my software (and hardware) works fine all the time, and I have a lot.
Same here.

I'm actually amazed at how well most of my stuff works.

Yes indeed.

I've recently finished being on secondment doing UAT testing for a fairly big UK government IT project. Whilst before it I liked to think I was relatively IT literate and quite blase about VSTs etc, seeing how a big team of developers struggled to make even a fairly closed system work predictably and effectively made me realise all over again how marvellous the audio software we have today really is, running on a myriad of differently configured machines with different hardware and thousands of different plug-ins to interact with.

fluffy_little_something · Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:10 pm

chk071 wrote:A big moral standard when you run a business will be to make enough money to be able to pay your employees... and live well from your business. A badly run business will not attract many customers, hence you will be keen on making a quality product everyone wants to buy and use. Considering that you spoke about "big businesses", those will the ones with the most customers. So, i don't know exactly why you feel like small businesses would have better business ethics, or moral standards, whatever you consider those.

Anyway, i don't see any of the issues described in the OP could be down to the developers, if other people don't suffer from them. Someone who ONLY has issues, whatever he is using, most likely produces the issues himself.

That's the point. Regardless of the specific issues described in the first post, once a product has the reputation of being buggy, it won't sell well. The moral starts with the product, not the employees. There is no point in employing people for the sake of it, when the product does no longer warrant employing them.

I don't think he ONLY has issues as you say, he probably is so irritated by the ones he does have that he doesn't see all the things that work as expected. It is only human. When one gets emotional, objectivity goes down the drain. That can be a good thing or a bad thing. Loving people, for instance, is based on downplaying or even ignoring their deficits

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:30 pm

Many lovely twitter/little kid posts here.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:45 pm

incubus wrote:Many lovely twitter/little kid posts here.

Ah sweet ...

Where's that My Little Pony icon?

Michael L · Post by **Michael L** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:29 pm

J-909 wrote:They were 10/15 years ago, and I haven't changed (neither more intelligent nor more stupid) So I'm pretty sure it's computers that have changed

J-909 wrote: if I could I would go back to Win 7 and Cubase 6 and the 32 bit pluins I used ,but my new hardware won't let me...

Like I said in the second post, it's you. Software has changed to do more, so you need to learn more in order to use it, but you don't want to, so you blame others. Gee, this story sounds so familiar...?

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:47 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
incubus wrote:Many lovely twitter/little kid posts here.
Ah sweet ...

Where's that My Little Pony icon?

It's buggy software.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:14 am

incubus wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
incubus wrote:Many lovely twitter/little kid posts here.
Ah sweet ...

Where's that My Little Pony icon?
It's buggy software.

Stop horsing around.

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:38 am

thecontrolcentre wrote: Where's that My Little Pony icon?

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:54 am

Codestation wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote: Where's that My Little Pony icon?

They can troublesome in their teens. She'll grow out of it I'm sure.

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:05 am

That's mine. That's MY little pony.

Don't you mock her.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:14 am

(sent from twatter)

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:06 am

My Scary Pony

Is it me or everything works like shit??