Behringer D Synth - Full Analog, Eurorack compatible, No Keys, 400$

[Terrafractyl]

Actually I did have a chance to play with original 1977 model just two days ago... it's a joke. Sounds like a toy, feels like one and I'm pretty confident I explored all the sound design possibilities it has in just 10 minutes. The only value of this synth is historical.

I think that is a bit over the top. There is still a place(read demand) for Model D's, just read the passionate people in the Legend clone thread. (I'm not one of them btw)

But for me this whole thing still boils down to the ethical argument.
As an artist that makes weird stuff(music). I appreciate creative types that also come up with weird stuff. (in this case read audio gear)

Generally in my experience the truly new, interesting things don't come from companies like B. but rather small indie developers and teams that have a passion for creating something new and interesting.
Those are the people/companies I like to give my money to, not the ones who 'legally' borrow their ideas (when they become popular enough to actually guarantee profit)

Not saying I havn't bought any B. gear(bought a 50$ hum eliminator once), and I appreciate their place in the market, but when I can avoid it I will!

When everything boils down to - least money -> maximum gain.... well that is a slippery path IMO.

[foosnark]

Generally in my experience the truly new, interesting things don't come from companies like B. but rather small indie developers and teams that have a passion for creating something new and interesting.

But where does the new, interesting music come from -- musicians with big record label contracts who can afford, or record in studios that own, expensive gear? Or independent musicians who mostly can only afford the cheaper versions?

And really I don't think you can look at the DeepMind 12 and say that Behringer doesn't do anything creative and new.

[DrGonzo]

No display? No nested menus?

All I need is a cool looking sticker to cover the Behringer logo - they still have a long way to go before that brand stop making me cringe. That being said - two big thumbs up from me. I can't really see this eating into Moogs profit. It's like saying that nobody is interested in real 303s because there is a clone.

/C

[Terrafractyl]

Generally in my experience the truly new, interesting things don't come from companies like B. but rather small indie developers and teams that have a passion for creating something new and interesting.

But where does the new, interesting music come from -- musicians with big record label contracts who can afford, or record in studios that own, expensive gear? Or independent musicians who mostly can only afford the cheaper versions?

And really I don't think you can look at the DeepMind 12 and say that Behringer doesn't do anything creative and new.

I agree Its not as simple as that, I simplified, but musicians don't need much money really to make music, you don't NEED tens of thousands of dollars to make professional sounding music anymore.
Making and selling a synth takes a bit more outlay. So the analogy doesn't really hold up, my bad for bringing it up in the first place

As much as deepmind was the only thing B. has tempted me to buy for a long time, to say it is an original idea is a bit of an overstatement. The whole thing was originally a juno-60 clone no? Sitll for me it's still a blip in a VEry long history of cloning stuff. To do it once or twice, sure, but to do it hundreds of times, over decades? I kinda feel the same way about doepfer to be honest. Not that I don't like some of the products and they are very cheap in comparison to the competition, but there are just so many clones in comparison to truly original products. I can't help it if that doesn't change the way I feel about the company. I don't hate them, but I certainly don't them like I do some others.

AlsoI I have a DIY moog filter in my modular built for under 50$... that's how this independent musician gets cheap analog boutique gear and makes music with it.

[Ingonator]

I had owned a real Minimoog Model D back in 2004/2005 (bought for around 2000 € freshly serviced) and shortly after selling it did regret this (even if i was able to buy a Yamaha Motif ES 7 from the money i got for it...).

Later i tried all kinds of software emulations (commercial and free) and also hardware as substitution (e.g. Creamware Minimax ASB, MFB Synth II, Moog Slim Phatty) but still i was not really happy. A few times i even thought about buying the real thing again. Then i got NI Monark and was quite happy with it for a while.

Finally i got Synapse Audio The Legend (i was one of the testers and factory presets designers there) and i am very happy with this now (as happy now as i was when i started using it during the Beta...).
I am rarely using other Minimoog emulations (mostly for comparison reasons sometimes) and really have no need for a hardware Minimoog anymore (and i also doubt i would get the Behringer Model D even if it is quite cheap). I also like using the advanced features in The Legend like e.g. poylphony, full ADSR envelopes or the new Bandpass filter modes.
Not to forget saving and loadding patches which is not possible in the vintage Model D, the new Model D reissue and as it looks also not in the upcoming Behringer Model D.

On the other hand with Waldorf Pulse 2 and Novation Bass Station 2 i currently own two hardware analog monosynths (which both have a price below 500 € and currently even below 470 €). Those and The Legend are differnt in basic sound and feature sets so they are not really replacements of each other (while the Pulse 2 and Bass Station 2 indeed offer a bunch of features not included in the Minimoog). From the 3 synths the Bass Station with 7 filter modes (3 x LPF, 2 x BPF, 2 x HPF) has the most versatile filter.

The Minimoog does not have tons of features but what is is able to do it does great and many artists have used it for around 45 years or more now. The soudn seems to be difficult to be porperly replicated with otehr synths and even a Minimoog Voyager seems to sound slightly differnt than a Model D.

Would be interesting to hear how the Behringer Model D sounds compared to e.g. a vintage Model D, the new Model D reissue by Moog and also plugins like e.g. The Legend and NI Monark.

[whyterabbyt]

It's like saying that nobody is interested in real 303s because there is a clone.

Yeah, but if it was a Behringer 303 clone, there'd be a major outcry.

FWIW, I think its a tad odd/tasteless/risky/whatever making the look of this so similar to the original; after their BOSS pedal clones a few years back, they're well aware that copying the look/livery of another manufacturer so closely is a risk. Maybe this iteration is all about generating the publicity (any = good) and the final version will be a bit less obvious.

But FFS. Betcha no-one whinging about it here ever bothered quite that much about any of the software UIs that copy the look of real hardware though, nor were they ever quite as bothered that the electronics of the MM (just like tons of other synths) have been cloned countless times, from Studio Electronics to all sorts of modular manufacturers. Hell arent the old-school large-format modulars pretty much all rooted in cloning the classic Moog modulars?

Nah. If some Kickstartered bunch of hipsters, or maybe even Korg, they'd be getting a round of applause.

And of course most of this kneejerk wailing will be from the gearchoice-as-lifestyle twats not folk who actually use tools as tools.

[ghettosynth]

Bheringer's iNuke amps aren't a clone of anything and they are awesome. A lot of their more recent products are like that. Frankly, the whole mackie mixer clone thing is just a bit overblown IMHO. Mackie didn't bring much substantially new in the way of design, that was all marketing hype, what they did was bring the cost/channel down in a big way.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care much myself for a Model D clone, especially if it's a close clone. I'm just not on the Bheringer hate wagon. If you don't want your schematics copied, then patent your ideas. If you can't patent them, then, well, they're probably just a derivative of Bernie Hutchins' work in the first place, so stop whining.

A lot of these "indie" manufacturers aren't really doing work that's all that novel. Granted, it's become much better in recent years. However, I remember a few key debacles from back in the day where much noise was created about originality when, in fact, it turned out that much of that originality was just borrowed from, Buchla, Hutchins, Moog, and others.

[DrGonzo]

It's like saying that nobody is interested in real 303s because there is a clone.

Yeah, but if it was a Behringer 303 clone, there'd be a major outcry.

FWIW, I think its a tad odd/tasteless/risky/whatever making the look of this so similar to the original;

Yeah, I actually thought the same - but to be brutally honest, I think the judgement on Behringer is a tad hard. It's like whatever they do it has to be a controversy. Nobody complained about the Creamware Minimoog/Prophet (Minimax/Profit) hardware boxes. The Avalon Bassline looks damn much like the 303 - every hipster think it's cool. Etc and so on. And let's not get into plugins - that is just one big rip-fest of original designs.

A Behringer 303 clone? I am not joking - I feel slightly sick just thinking about it. But it wouldn't surprise me if they would pull of a better emulation than of what Roland managed.

In either case - I don't think Behringers adventures into analogland will be hurting Moog. Dave Smith is more likely to feel some impact though. But that can eventually turn into a good thing. I don't think DSI have released anything really innovative since the Evolver. Oh... yeah, the Tempest too.

/C

[Armadillo]

This just in...

We have 4 synthesizer development teams simultaneously working on 20 synths, drum machines etc..

We'll be creating both innovative new synths as well as reviving classics. We're all in and the teams are on fire.

Exciting times!

Uli

[MFXxx]

INterested to see what this sounds and feels like, will be a great indictor of whats to follow and if to follow.

[ghettosynth]

This just in...

We have 4 synthesizer development teams simultaneously working on 20 synths, drum machines etc..

We'll be creating both innovative new synths as well as reviving classics. We're all in and the teams are on fire.

Exciting times!

Uli

Even if you hate Behringer, you have to love this.

[damoog]

I couldn't really care less about reissues,clones etc

Trust me on this Put your investment in elektron gear... they are the only ones doing something new and exciting...the rest is...well...meh

[foosnark]

they are the only ones doing something new and exciting...

[ghettosynth]

There are, literally, hundreds of small manufacturers doing interesting things. So what? What's exciting about Behringer getting into the game is that they are large, have a history of creating affordable gear, and have no legacy in analog gear to flog.

Talk about clones and ethics all you want, but, all the big three have done so far is essentially clone themselves. I give some credit to Korg for thinking a little differently, but Roland and Yamaha have been about part for the course.

[ghettosynth]

I'll just leave this here.

https://ask.audio/articles/behringer-re ... nth-clones