KVR Audio

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:45 pm

DarkStar wrote:It certainly looks like a great deal to me. >25 plug-ins (value > $1000) for $260. So, you get NFR editions, with their future updates, for 26% of the standard price.

But ... which plug-ins are included? I could not see that on the web site. (I did see that there are 30 commercial plug-ins currently available, with a price over $2,100.)

All software titles are included in fact.

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:50 pm

That's great news, thank you. So the "more than 25 products worth more than $1000" should really read "30 products worth more than $2,100" .....

.....

My own small contribution (a GUI skin colour scheme) is attached.

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:57 pm

DarkStar wrote:That's great news, thank you. So the "more than 25 products worth more than $1000" should really read "30 products worth more than $2,100" ..... .....

Well, if I had to be exact then yes, but I simply did not include applications (e.g. Deconvolver) into the equation, but they are also in the offer. I've corrected to $1500 to be more exact.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:11 pm

To be fair I don't mind to pay the this awesome offer and then pay a "minimal fixed" charge for all the future new plugins.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:35 pm

Is there a unified download for all products included in the membership?

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:48 pm

Robert Randolph wrote:Is there a unified download for all products included in the membership?

This is not planned at the moment as we offer individual purchases as well. Frankly saying, maintaining a whole package of plugins is not currently possible for us. With this membership, licenses are given "on demand" basis, so you may install a couple of plugins today and another couple of plugins a week later. It's probably a hassle on new computer installs, but should not be much of a problem with everyday use.

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:52 pm

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Is there a unified download for all products included in the membership?
This is not planned at the moment as we offer individual purchases as well. Frankly saying, maintaining a whole package of plugins is not currently possible for us. With this membership, licenses are given "on demand" basis, so you may install a couple of plugins today and another couple of plugins a week later. It's probably a hassle on new computer installs, but should not be much of a problem with everyday use.

Ok. I understand your viewpoint, however I will not purchase the Premium Membership if I need to download, install up to 25 products one-by-one and keep track of what has been done the whole time.

Even if it is a one-time thing, it's still incredibly annoying to do and have to keep track of what you're doing in the process. If you wish to call it a "Premium Membership" then I think it's reasonable to expect a "Premium" experience for the basic scenario of installing the products that you purchased.

edit: If you need to request a license per-plugin that's even worse.

I had the Premium Membership in my cart, ready to check out, and there's no way I'm purchasing it with the system that you describe.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:02 pm

Robert Randolph wrote:
Ok. I understand your viewpoint, however I will not purchase the Premium Membership if I need to download, install up to 25 products one-by-one and keep track of what has been done the whole time.

Even if it is a one-time thing, it's still incredibly annoying to do and have to keep track of what you're doing in the process. If you wish to call it a "Premium Membership" then I think it's reasonable to expect a "Premium" experience for the basic scenario of installing the products that you purchased.

edit: If you need to request a license per-plugin that's even worse.

This is one of the reasons I personally made a decision to more or less use only Waves plugins. It's a dream to have everything install in one click. It used to give me a headache just thinking about plugin updates for tens and tens of different companies with pain in the ass installations and licensing types (Cakewalk, Nomad anyone?!). If I was to use some kind of package or subscription like this the convenience factor is a pretty important part of it. Plugin Alliance have an installation manager now too which is a great move imo.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:07 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
Ok. I understand your viewpoint, however I will not purchase the Premium Membership if I need to download, install up to 25 products one-by-one and keep track of what has been done the whole time.

Even if it is a one-time thing, it's still incredibly annoying to do and have to keep track of what you're doing in the process. If you wish to call it a "Premium Membership" then I think it's reasonable to expect a "Premium" experience for the basic scenario of installing the products that you purchased.

edit: If you need to request a license per-plugin that's even worse.
This is one of the reasons I personally made a decision to more or less use only Waves plugins. It's a dream to have everything install in one click. It used to give me a headache just thinking about plugin updates for tens and tens of different companies with pain in the ass installations and licensing types (Cakewalk, Nomad anyone?!). If I was to use some kind of package or subscription like this the convenience factor is a pretty important part of it. Plugin Alliance have an installation manager now too which is a great move imo.

While I don't use "just Waves", I also consider this kind of convenience as having value. That said, it wouldn't stop me from purchasing a fairly priced bundle.

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:15 pm

Hes giving you 1500 dollars worth of stuff for 260.

(For goodness sake.)

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:17 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
Ok. I understand your viewpoint, however I will not purchase the Premium Membership if I need to download, install up to 25 products one-by-one and keep track of what has been done the whole time.

Even if it is a one-time thing, it's still incredibly annoying to do and have to keep track of what you're doing in the process. If you wish to call it a "Premium Membership" then I think it's reasonable to expect a "Premium" experience for the basic scenario of installing the products that you purchased.

edit: If you need to request a license per-plugin that's even worse.
This is one of the reasons I personally made a decision to more or less use only Waves plugins. It's a dream to have everything install in one click. It used to give me a headache just thinking about plugin updates for tens and tens of different companies with pain in the ass installations and licensing types (Cakewalk, Nomad anyone?!). If I was to use some kind of package or subscription like this the convenience factor is a pretty important part of it. Plugin Alliance have an installation manager now too which is a great move imo.

I will add an "installation manager" to our development plans. The reason such manager software wasn't available is that we were single product-centric the whole time. There was no demand for such software from us before.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:18 pm

ENV1 wrote:Hes giving you 1500 dollars worth of stuff for 260.

(For goodness sake.)

I'm just talking about what makes me personally look at this kind of thing. It's part of the appeal of other similar schemes. It's just one factor though.

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:30 pm

do_androids_dream wrote:I'm just talking about what makes me personally look at this kind of thing. It's part of the appeal of other similar schemes. It's just one factor though.

I understand that, its just that sometimes it looks as though there is no making you happy no matter how generous something is.

(Not you personally, KVR in general.)

soulone82 · Post by **soulone82** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:03 pm

Robert Randolph wrote:
Aleksey Vaneev wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:Is there a unified download for all products included in the membership?
This is not planned at the moment as we offer individual purchases as well. Frankly saying, maintaining a whole package of plugins is not currently possible for us. With this membership, licenses are given "on demand" basis, so you may install a couple of plugins today and another couple of plugins a week later. It's probably a hassle on new computer installs, but should not be much of a problem with everyday use.
Ok. I understand your viewpoint, however I will not purchase the Premium Membership if I need to download, install up to 25 products one-by-one and keep track of what has been done the whole time.

Even if it is a one-time thing, it's still incredibly annoying to do and have to keep track of what you're doing in the process. If you wish to call it a "Premium Membership" then I think it's reasonable to expect a "Premium" experience for the basic scenario of installing the products that you purchased.

edit: If you need to request a license per-plugin that's even worse.

I had the Premium Membership in my cart, ready to check out, and there's no way I'm purchasing it with the system that you describe.

First world problems...smh

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:10 pm

Aleksey Vaneev wrote: I really want to offer future plugin releases into this offer, but I just can't do it - it's a bad business practice to offer something that did not happen yet.

I've seen too many "membership for life" deals here on KvR to know that they all end up either with the company disappearing shortly after or that new products won't be included. Thanks for clearing that out.

Great deal.

/C

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