What causes SS1 in ST2 to crash when selecting sounds

[Kim Lajoie]

Kind of like a waiter forgets your drink and gives you two drinks on the house and a free desert.

Forever,




Kim.

[KLG]

I've noticed that a few of the sounds can only be triggered with high velocity, at lower velocity there's no sound. Anyone found the same problem?

[Squids]

I've noticed that a few of the sounds can only be triggered with high velocity, at lower velocity there's no sound. Anyone found the same problem?

Please specify a particular patch so we can see/hear it ourselves.

[KLG]

Please specify a particular patch so we can see/hear it ourselves.

OK, will do it when I get home tonight.

[codacoda]

Hi, I bought the ST2 LE and SR group offer and I'm having some problems too.

Athlon XP 2600 Windows XP Home 1 gig RAM using Fruity and Sonar 3.1.1

Unless otherwise noted these patches crash Fruity as they load XP stays functional.

Bass Collection :-

Bourbon Bass
Liquid Upright
Muffled Love Bass
Stand Up
Stung

Guitar Collection :-

Dirty Nylons

Symphony Strings, Acoustic Drums, Piano Collection and the Omni Synth all seem to perform properly.

Sonic Synth...

SR Bass :-

Funkadelic Bass

SR Brass Winds :-

001 Brass Section
Big Brass
Second Baritone

SR Chromatics :-

Rotary Clav
Wah Clav MW!

SR Guitars :-

Compressed Steel

SR Misc Keys - Synths :-

Modwheel Organ clicks
Big Time MW clicks
Big Whoop no whoop
Bigger Whoop no whoop
Speed Pad no sound
Ye Olde Space Organ no sound

SR Piano Stacks :-

Hammerstack Piano
Rag Timez 10

SR SFX :-

Alien Horn no sound
Digital Kahuna no sound
Liqua Vox
Neptunes Garden no sound


SR Synth Pads :-

Chime To Go
Dripping Wet Pad no sound
Patchicus Caeser clicks
Rectify Pad no sound
Sbretooth Pad clicks
Thick Space
Vel Port Pad
Zow Pad clicks

SR Demo Patches :-

Tech Monster Lead MW 2p no sound

SR Strings, SR Synth Bass Leads seem to be OK.

Hope this helps, Chris.

[loachm]

I've noticed that a few of the sounds can only be triggered with high velocity, at lower velocity there's no sound. Anyone found the same problem?

...this error besides the other mentioned (... no sound, error messages...) also occurred when I tried some sounds...

@Squids - I will also send you a detailed list with the sounds, when I've finished testing all sounds (Sonic Synth, Guitar Collection, Symphony Strings, Omni Synth).

btw. is there a ST2 GM map for the Omni Synth sounds available?

[KLG]

Please specify a particular patch so we can see/hear it ourselves.

OK, found one. Try the "Fiddle 2 V-Start" patch. Some of the notes (e.g. C3) has no sound at low velocity.

[rustyfingers]

Group Bundle Purchaser

I'm also having problems with patches causing my system to crash. If it's a ST2LE problem how hard would it be to offer those ST2LE users with a copy of ST1LE? You could send an email to the purchasers with a download location. I know this sounds a bit extreme but it would be cool if we could get our patches to work.

Thanks
Dennis

[psynus]

Ok. Here is my list.

SR Bass:
Funkadelix Bass

SR Brass-Winds:
001 Brass Section
Big Brass
*Blewz Traveler*
*Blues Harp
Second Baritone
*Trombone Alone*

SR Chromatic:
Rotary Clav
Wah Clav MW!

SR Ethnic:
*Flute of the Dunes

SR Guitars:
Compressed Steel

SR Misc Keys-Synths:
*Big Time MW
*Big Whoop
*Bigger Whoop
*Moodwheel Organ Synth
*Speed Pad
*Ye Old Space Organ

SR Pad Synth:
*Moritz Pad
*Rabid Pad

SR Piano Stacks:
hammerstack piano
Rag Timez 10

SR SFX:
*Alien Horn
*Digital Kahuna
Liquavox
*Neptune's Garden

SR Synth Pads:
Chime To Go
*Dripping Wet Pad
*Patchicus Caesar
*Rectify Pad
*Sabretooth Synth
Thick Space
VelPort Pad
*Zow Pad

Bass Collection:
Bourbon Bass
Bright Picked Bass
Liquid Upright
Muffled Love Bass
Stand Up
Stung

'*' means it does not crash but it is not working correctly (mostly 'no sound')...

[DHR53]

Uh, that's a lot of sounds... I've noticed a few, but not that many?

[DrApostropheX]

Is it just specfic instruments? I've not had any problem loading an instrument (any instrument) into the first slot or channel, but anytime I try to load any patch into channels 2-16 it instantly crashes Sonar 3.1.1 (this is with the DXi version). With the VSTi version using VSTWrapper 4.whatever I can usually audition a few patches in the other channels before it pukes. No problems using multiple channels in FLStudio so far, however.

I've reported this on IKMultimedia's support page, so hopefully it's only a matter of time before a patch is released. It's one heck of a product, and once these few wrinkles are ironed out, I can see myself using it (well, one instance of it, anyway ) in every song I do. (Of course, I'll probably use it on every product I do even before the patch is released, as the Studio Drum Capsule is just so amazing).

[Squids]

There's no use mentioning on IK's support page. This is a sound issue. AND it is a sound issue on DISCONTINUED products even! In other words, the new "Expansion Tank" version 2s of these libraries and the Sonik Synth 2 are all redone in native ST2 format.

The base ST1 format can typically be read by ST2 without a problem, except in these cases where something we did, perhaps something unusual that worked well in ST1, is causing some bizarre behavior in ST2 LE depending on the host (from close to silent sounds to causing a crash).

Anyway, SR is providing a fix for the sounds for any users who have ST1 libraries from SR that have this issue in ST2 LE (which is brand new). Of course as of a week or so these products will no longer be available and only Expansion Tank versions will become available. These are version 2 without problems like that.

So, the fix disc will be a bonus disc too of extra sounds. This will be going out to ALL esoundz customers who bought any ST2 LE, L, XL or upgrade from us. Non-esoundz customers can also buy it as an upgrade (it has all of the update patches on it too for the ST2 versions).

[nutsadamus]

Totally freakin awesome.

[Meffy]

[posted and emailed]

Finally had time to do a comprehensive test. I checked every sound using LE 2.0.7, and those that crashed LE I also tested using XL 2.0.6. This was tested on a 1.7 GHz / 1 Gbyte P4 WinXP Sony Vaio with M-Audio Firewire 410. [edit] I used the VSTi version with Ableton Live 4 as the host.

As far as LE goes, my results are practically identical to those posted by "codacoda" above, except I heard clicks for some codacoda calls silent. (Quiet clicks probably.) But XL was able to load and play many of the sounds that crashed LE. Of LE's clicking and silent presets, all did the same thing when played in XL.

Whew, that's a lot of sounds! Just a few clinkers...

Meffy

SONIC SYNTH 1
-------------------------

SR Bass
- Funkadelic bass - CRASH in LE & XL

SR Brass-Winds
- 001 Brass Section - CRASH in LE [ok in XL]
- Big Brass - CRASH in LE [ok in XL]
- Second Baritone - CRASH in LE [ok in XL]

SR Chromatic
- Rotary Clav - CRASH in LE & XL
- Wah Clav MW! - CRASH in LE [ok in XL]

SR Drums
(ok)

SR Ethnic
(ok)

SR Guitar Stacks
(ok)

SR Guitars
- Compressed Steel - CRASH in LE & XL

SR iMap Drum Kits 2
(ok)

SR Misc Keys-Synths
- Big Time MW - click
- Big Whoop - click
- Bigger Whoop - no sound
- Moodwheel Organ Synth - click
- Speed Pad - no sound
- Ye Olde Space Organ - no sound

SR Orchestral Mixed
(ok)

SR Organs
(ok)

SR Pad-Synth
(ok)

SR Piano Stacks
- Hammerstack Piano - CRASH in LE [ok in XL]
- Rag Timez 10 - CRASH in LE [ok in XL]

SR Pianos
(ok)

SR SFX
- Alien Horn - no sound
- Digital Kahuna - no sound
- Liquovox - CRASH in LE & XL
- Neptune's Garden - no sound

SR Strings
(ok)

SR Synth Bass-Leads
(ok)

SR Synth Pads
- Chime to Go - CRASH in LE & XL
- Dripping Wet Pad - click
- Patchicus Caesar - click
- Rectify Pad - no sound
- Sabretooth Pad - click
- Zow Pad - click

SR Voices
(ok)

[edit] This would have gone a lot faster but I kept stopping to play around. :-D Focus, focus!

[psynus]

So, the fix disc will be a bonus disc too of extra sounds. This will be going out to ALL esoundz customers who bought any ST2 LE, L, XL or upgrade from us. Non-esoundz customers can also buy it as an upgrade (it has all of the update patches on it too for the ST2 versions).

Word!