KVR Audio

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:32 pm

egbert101 wrote:
I heard little rumours you guys were working on a possible Prophet 5 emulation. Confirm or deny?

Thats u-he

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:59 pm

Richard_Synapse wrote: I just think that it is not the filter that makes them sound amazing, but rather other components- such as the oscillators or envelopes.

Funny you should say that. I'm curious about the Oscillators. None of the VSTi oscillators sound "correct". They all lack the buzz/grit/depth of the original. In fact I was actually quite surprised at just how far off they were. Do you know where that extra depth is coming from. Is it the VCA or some other stage that is passively adding its little extra to the signal?

EDIT: it's also one of the main differences between a D and a Voyager. The Square never gets "that" sound, even when everything else is off and the Filter is wide open (including extra open from CV).

EDITEDIT: Sorry if this came across as a criticism ... that isn't the intention. I think what is being done with VSTi is amazing.

Amram · Post by **Amram** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:56 pm

egbert101 wrote:
Richard_Synapse wrote: True, quite a few analog synths have such largely linear filters. Personally I'm not a fan of those filters though, typically they are 12dB state-variable types with no self-oscillation. Certainly vintage synths with such filters can sound amazing, I just think that it is not the filter that makes them sound amazing, but rather other components- such as the oscillators or envelopes.

Richard
You must be pretty pleased with the results of the video comparison.

I heard little rumours you guys were working on a possible Prophet 5 emulation. Confirm or deny?

we would like to hear more , richard

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:10 pm

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:20 pm

egbert101 wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote: Depends what you mean by correct. I would say that the oscillators are correct, in terms of shape and tone, although Monark was a bit quarky. There is a difference in some of the harmonics between different versions of the Model D, but that was mentioned in the video.

The static nature of the osillators in the software versions, compared to the hardware, at least in some examples, seems to be related to lack of hiss (at least I tried to reproduce the effect with some success in TAL-Sampler). Hiss creates a squelchy quality while variations in hiss creates the effect of liveliness.

However, this effect is extremely subtle, and can't really be discerned unless comparing the hardware with the software versions, and wouldn't be noticeable inside a mix or in quiet parts. But it might be something we 'feel' on some level.

hmm... guess we have a different interpretation of the same. I didn't think the oscillators sounded anything like the real one. Not even close. None of them. I also have a Voyager and have had a D. The OSC on the Voyager just doesn't sound like a D at all.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:47 am

SJ_Digriz wrote:I didn't think the oscillators sounded anything like the real one.

So you are the golden eared bat who will always easily tell which is which if challenged with an A/B test ?

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:39 am

Truth is that the raw oscillators didn't sound identical. Monark was more open, the Legend a bit weaker. But the final result of OSCs, filter, envelopes, saturation, feedback, etc. is too close to the hardware modeled. In a song context there wouldn't be any significant advantage in using the much more expensive HW.

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:47 am

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:03 am

Well, there is a difference in the Osc and filter sound of the two revisons available in The Legend so if you compare you also have to tell if you use the Late or the Early revision in The Legend...
The audio demo wher The Legend was compared to one of te Minimoogs it is based on showed it really nails it. Comparing to a different Minimoog could of course show differences, even more when compared to the new re-issue that is built with NEW parts for the circuits (opposing to a vintage Model D that is based on around 35 to 47 years old circuits...) or even a Minimoog Voyager that should indeed sound a bit different.

The Early revision also seems to be more instable and you could add more instability with the Osc drift parameter.
With the advanced controls at the back panel you could also tweak several other parameters like e.g. Amp saturation amount, Osc keytracking, Cutoff range, Resonance range, modulation range etc.

If you do a compariosn wit ha real Minimoog Model D IMO you should at least try to match the revisons and the advanced parameters at the back panel as good as possible when doing a comparison. For others it might then be helpful to provide the resulting patch to the public. Anyway this would then be a result of another Minimoog and not that used for the development of the plugin.

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:40 am

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:08 am

Exactly. My choice would be Monark for Lead and Bass duties. Very bold, open sound that cuts through and gives weight to a track. The Legend would shine on chords and pads with it's sophisticated, beautiful character.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:34 pm

StarskeyCarr (the author of that video) uploaded some uncompressed clips of the Minimoog at:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-c ... st12566106
IDK if you need to be a GS member to see the attachments under his post.

Richard_Synapse · Post by **Richard_Synapse** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:06 am

egbert101 wrote:
Richard_Synapse wrote: True, quite a few analog synths have such largely linear filters. Personally I'm not a fan of those filters though, typically they are 12dB state-variable types with no self-oscillation. Certainly vintage synths with such filters can sound amazing, I just think that it is not the filter that makes them sound amazing, but rather other components- such as the oscillators or envelopes.

Richard
You must be pretty pleased with the results of the video comparison.

I heard little rumours you guys were working on a possible Prophet 5 emulation. Confirm or deny?

We might do an emulation, provided we can get our hands on a P5 in great condition, and provided Urs is not already working on an emulation. Repro-1 is great so there is no reason to believe Repro-5 would be less than awesome

Richard

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:54 am

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:55 am

Richard_Synapse wrote:We might do an emulation, provided we can get our hands on a P5 in great condition, and provided Urs is not already working on an emulation. Repro-1 is great so there is no reason to believe Repro-5 would be less than awesome

Thank you Richard. We're indeed working on Repro-5, we'll showcase it on Superbooth next week.

That shouldn't prevent you from doing one as well. We're (for now) only doing the 3rd revision, simply because we can reuse a lot of code from Repro-1. If you did a Rev 2, it might even help us get away with "just" a Rev 3

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