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brother85 · Post by **brother85** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:24 pm

Hi.

I have the demo of studio one v3 and like it very much.

I read that s1 can not record polyphonic aftertouch.

No problem for me because i always record my vst instruments to audio tracks.

I can see in studio one that it can notice the aftertouch messages.

But i am not able to get it working with bfd 3 and my roland td 11.

Is it only impossible to record aftertouch or is it in general impossible to work with poly aftertouch messages?

Thanks

brother85 · Post by **brother85** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:21 am

Can someone help?

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:45 pm

brother85 wrote:Is it only impossible to record aftertouch or is it in general impossible to work with poly aftertouch messages?

Instrument tracks pass the polyphonic aftertouch through to the connected VST instrument unless the polyphonic aftertouch (PolyPressure) messages are mapped to the control link system.
It's indeed not possible to record the polyphonic aftertouch messages as musical data on an Instrument track.

bustedfist · Post by **bustedfist** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:49 pm

The VSTi has to be able to respond to the controller input to begin with, no? I'm guessing there's a reason to use aftertouch on a drum VSTi even if I can't see it. Again, is it programmed to respond is another question.

Some controller data isn't recorded, you have to Write and Read automation for it to be recorded and applied.

There can be a mismatch as to which CC is actually assigned to the function from controller to DAW.

The MIDI data can be set to be filtered in a DAW, choosing what is and isn't allowed to be input.

As said before, it could just be Instrument tracks have the limitation, but MIDI tracks don't. I don't know S1 and if there's a difference like in Cubase.

As to polyphonic, what if each kit piece were routed to a different MIDI/ instrument track and assigned a different MIDI channel? Does that take it out of being polyphonic and let each piece be affected separately?

A few things that might get you started.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:26 pm

Weirdly, I googled this and found some old VSL Forums thread where I tried to figure this out for somebody per BFD3 (and 2) in VE Pro. They were using a VST 3 SDK which just doesn't support poly pressure. VST 2, no problem. I was trying it in VE Pro as VST 3. They then updated their VST SDK to 3.6, solving that. Donno, but info.

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:23 am

You guys/girls make this unnecessary complicated.
Studio One is not able to record polyphonic aftertouch on an instrument track as musical data, full stop!

brother85 · Post by **brother85** » Mon May 01, 2017 3:06 pm

daw.one wrote:
brother85 wrote:Is it only impossible to record aftertouch or is it in general impossible to work with poly aftertouch messages?
Instrument tracks pass the polyphonic aftertouch through to the connected VST instrument unless the polyphonic aftertouch (PolyPressure) messages are mapped to the control link system.
It's indeed not possible to record the polyphonic aftertouch messages as musical data on an Instrument track.

Are messages by default mapped to the control link.
It is not necessary to record anything on a midi track.
I can even not get my cymbals to choke.
I can see that poly pressure messages are recieved. But they don't pass through to bfd3.
I usually create an audio track and set the output of bfd as input for this track. So i can record the audio signal. I don't need to record any midi data.
Do you know how to set it up that the poly messages pass through to bfd?

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Mon May 01, 2017 10:34 pm

brother85 wrote:Are messages by default mapped to the control link.

It depends on what device you use and how you've set it up. Devices set up with Studio One's default surface maps do contain controller mapped to the control link system.

Regarding Poly pressure messages there's only one device I know of using it by default (Faderport)

brother85 wrote:I can see that poly pressure messages are recieved. But they don't pass through to bfd3.

When the poly pressure messages are logged by the MIDI monitor, do you see continuous activity on the instrument track's activity meter?

brother85 wrote:Do you know how to set it up that the poly messages pass through to bfd?

I don't own BFD, so I can't help you there.

brother85 · Post by **brother85** » Tue May 02, 2017 11:01 am

If set to input monitoring or if recording is activated in the instrument track, i see activity on the instrument track's activity meter, each time i grab a cymbal pad it goes to full scale and holds for a about second.

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Wed May 03, 2017 12:42 am

brother85 wrote:If set to input monitoring or if recording is activated in the instrument track, i see activity on the instrument track's activity meter, each time i grab a cymbal pad it goes to full scale and holds for a about second.

A long shot (since I don't know BFD) but, is the choke with aftertouch setting enabled in the Key Map panel's Tools menu (bottom of this page).

brother85 · Post by **brother85** » Wed May 03, 2017 6:37 am

Yes it is enabled.

Everthing works fine in standalone mode and in two other DAW´s (a friend uses Sonar and Protools).

BFD3 Midi Monitor shows also Midi activity in Studio One, but somehow it does not react to the message how it should and does in other applications. i can read no specific Midi Messages in BFD if i grab a cymbal. There is the Key Editor in BFD which shows assignments of the indiviual notes that are played, but Poly Pressure seems to be no specific note.

That´s what the midi editor shows when choking cymbals:

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Wed May 03, 2017 1:17 pm

Have you tried sending PolyPressure messages on MIDI channel 1 instead of 10? From what I see PolyPressure messages received from other channels then 1, are not passed through with note & value.

Below the midiMonitor, monitors the incoming data of the instrument track. As you can see the value of the PolyPressue MIDI message is empty as soon as I send it from a different MIDI channel.

brother85 · Post by **brother85** » Wed May 03, 2017 3:27 pm

Thanks! Works!

You have to set your drum module to send on channel 1. My roland was set to channel 10 by default.

Studio one does not record the poly pressure messages to midi data, but i can choke my cymbals and record it on a audio track. Thats great! Thanks a lot!

How can you open that second midi monitor window on the instrument track?

How did you know that only midi channel 1 works? Manual?

daw.one · Post by **daw.one** » Wed May 03, 2017 3:42 pm

brother85 wrote:How can you open that second midi monitor window on the instrument track?

midiMonitor is a VST by Insert Piz Here. It's a bit heavy on the CPU, but very useful to troubleshoot MIDI issues like this in Studio One.

brother85 wrote:How did you know that only midi channel 1 works? Manual?

I didn't, but I noticed you used channel 10 and I used channel 1. So I tried channel 10 too and it stopped working (I used Addictive Drums to test first). The midiMonitor confirmed it.

brother85 · Post by **brother85** » Wed May 03, 2017 4:04 pm

I am happy it works. Thank you!

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