Propellerhead Software has been bought

[Robert Randolph]

Why ?
If it is read ahead then it can compensate for that too, feedback would be an issue if it was real time but nothing in audio on computers is realtime, feedback would be a big issue for resource use at low latency, but that is not 'impossible'
It is unwise with feedback, not impossible.

With feedback going through a latency inducing plug-in, you'd have to compensate for the full delay line on each cycle through for the loop to be zero latency as expected.

Which means you'd never be able to play the track as you would infinitely be compensating.

[kmonkey]

Why ?
If it is read ahead then it can compensate for that too, feedback would be an issue if it was real time but nothing in audio on computers is realtime, feedback would be a big issue for resource use at low latency, but that is not 'impossible'
It is unwise with feedback, not impossible.

With feedback going through a latency inducing plug-in, you'd have to compensate for the full delay line on each cycle through for the loop to be zero latency as expected.

Which means you'd never be able to play the track as you would infinitely be compensating.

What the hell are you talking about? That is precisely why VST SDK offer any developer function with which developer (read plugin) can simply report generated delay to a host and then host can delay compensate it.

Not just that any decent host now offer and support variable plugin latency - per plugin.

[Orbit-50]

What the hell are you talking about? That is precisely why VST SDK offer any developer function with which developer (read plugin) can simply report generated delay to a host and then host can delay compensate it.

I'm no developer, but thinking about it logically, what you're saying makes sense. I would think that the whole PDC thing is part of the SDK.

[Trancit]

What the hell are you talking about? That is precisely why VST SDK offer any developer function with which developer (read plugin) can simply report generated delay to a host and then host can delay compensate it.

I'm no developer, but thinking about it logically, what you're saying makes sense. I would think that the whole PDC thing is part of the SDK.

No, it doesn´t make sense...

Reporting a delay and being able to compensate this in a manner, which doesn´t eat up your CPU and is still playable with an acceptable latency for the user are completely different worlds... if not even sun systems...

There are too many scenarios, where APDC of different latency devices, which can be connected freely isn´t simply not possible respectfully not useable anymore...

If it would be that easy, why doesn´t exist any modular system (with this grade of flexibility) with APDC...

Speak to the developer of MuTools... a very nice guy... He stated that APDC is not possible in his modular system MUX because of the routing possibilities... perhaps, he is able to explain you the technical reasons...

[DuX]

They like to talk big, but do little.

Kinda like Arturia, Steinberg, Waves, Microsoft, Apple... Donald Trump?

I kinda kept an eye on the Reason development but when they announced "no VST support" I said "goodbye" to them in my mind. And so it happened.

You can't make a DAW these days without a VST support. One must be a complete moron or Digidesign, to do it. And even Digidesign [yeah part of Avid now] is not having a party time, either.

Those big guys keep buying ruined things and ruin them some more in the process. The only acquisition that was kinda successful was Yamaha's acquisition of Steinberg IMHO.

[chk071]

They like to talk big, but do little.

Kinda like Arturia, Steinberg, Waves, Microsoft, Apple... Donald Trump?

Or simply... like anyone in business?... Chicken or egg kind of thing. If consumers wouldn't be attracted to buy by big words, they would not be used. Or would you buy a mediocre synth, which is announced as nothing special, but yet another VA synth, like hundreds of others?

[Numanoid]

I like the way the prices of the Rack Extenions have turned

The new Re-String by gforce contains the same number of sample sets as Virtual String Machine, but costs just $40 at intro.

https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/re-strings/

[Jace-BeOS]

Two or three major releases with very few reasons (forgive the pun) to make people part with their cash, well, the money has to come from somewhere. I have to laugh at "new" features other DAWs have had for many years. Definitely one for those rooting for underdogs. Or just starting out. Or who like walls.

KEv

I've sort of vowed not to spend more money on Reason until it supports high-PPI displays.

[Orbit-50]

Or would you buy a mediocre synth, which is announced as nothing special, but yet another VA synth, like hundreds of others?

[TACruise]

You can't make a DAW these days without a VST support. One must be a complete moron or Digidesign, to do it. And even Digidesign [yeah part of Avid now] is not having a party time, either.

Interesting news.

No, you can't make a DAW without VST support. You're correct. Propellerhead has more Swedish pride than sense, apparently. I "get" the inclusive platform idea and motive, but give me a break. Major studios aren't going to start producing with your "almost-as-good-as-VST platform**". It's never going to happen. You'll convince the already dwindling, yet rabidly hardcore fanbase, that RE will conquer VST. Oh boy, those were the days, seeing people say that.

Oh, and the only reason it's working for Avid is because they were smart enough to make their proprietary format be easily translated from....you guessed it, VST.

**The "almost-as-good-as-VST" status of Rack Extensions keeps people buying new updates because you have to buy the most current update to use the most current "almost-as-good-as-VST" products they have that slllllloooowly "almost" get as good as VST's. RE's have been out for a few years now - and you still can't port directly to that format from the leading format.

#dodobird

[whyterabbyt]

I "get" the inclusive platform idea and motive, but give me a break. Major studios aren't going to start producing with your "almost-as-good-as-VST platform**".

No, nor will most of them be producing with your 'VST platform'; they'll actually be running ProTools, which has been firmly embedded in that sector (and post production) since before there was VST...

No silly about 'easily translated' required, PT is still the defacto standard in industry, whether you like it or not.

[JonSolo]

Reason is as fantastic as it is tricky. I have not used it in several years, although I did update to the latest version. Honestly it is hard to tell what would make it better. If they added VST (and alienated many dedicated users) or altered to make for a better workflow (and alienated even MORE dedicated users) it would help, but I have always loved the slimmed down DAW that it is. It serves its purpose.

But for the life of me, if they DID support VST I cannot find a single, um, reason, uh, to leave my current full time DAW (Cubase) behind. Unless it handled memory better and had a much smaller footprint...still the workflow would have to change dramatically...not that it is bad...but as I said above, it serves its own purpose.

[bungle]

I "get" the inclusive platform idea and motive, but give me a break. Major studios aren't going to start producing with your "almost-as-good-as-VST platform**".

No, nor will most of them be producing with your 'VST platform'; they'll actually be running ProTools, which has been firmly embedded in that sector (and post production) since before there was VST...

No silly about 'easily translated' required, PT is still the defacto standard in industry, whether you like it or not.

No it isn't, for recording yes but not for composition.

[LawrenceF]

I think you're both right actually, but more talking about two different things.

Very few people (relatively speaking) probably use "Major Studios" (at those rates) to make beats or compose in the box with software and VSTI's, you can do that anywhere these days. Around here people that do use the large studios for some of that do that because that's where the real Mellotrons and other stuff is, they mostly aren't going there to use software instruments.

Anyway, VST is just a format that doesn't sound any better than any other format, it's just arguably the most popular format. The DSP processes in an AAX, VST, AU for the same plugin should all be identical.

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

I thought I heard that Apple was going to buy them...