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sfd · Post by **sfd** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:47 am

I'm not sure in what way some of the synths mentioned here, that also can be found among the most popular at KVR, would be some of the "most underesimtated".

In fact and IMHO some of those are some of the more overestimated. As they're mentioned so often as if there wasn't anything else around.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:57 am

sfd wrote:I'm not sure in what way some of the synths mentioned here, that also can be found among the most popular at KVR, would be some of the "most underesimtated".

In fact and IMHO some of those are some of the more overestimated. As they're mentioned so often as if there wasn't anything else around.

You know why sfd? I'd tell you but then it'll only end up turning this thread into a shit storm.

But thank you for pointing this out.

Synthmaster, underestimated? Synth of the year at least one year that I know of, underestimated?

These threads are as stupid as...never mind. Not going to finish that sentence.

But it's oh so tempting.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:28 am

Synth of the year? On KVR?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:29 am

chk071 wrote:Synth of the year? On KVR?

Music Radar synth of the year either last year or the year before.

stimresp · Post by **stimresp** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:32 am

I was about to say Surge, but it doesn't seem to work in Bitwig 2. Can't select waveforms for a start. Anyone else?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:35 am

wagtunes wrote:
chk071 wrote:Synth of the year? On KVR?
Music Radar synth of the year either last year or the year before.

Ah... well, let's not forget that KV331 sent out newsletters to Synthmaster customers with the request to vote in that poll. So, this one especially has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Or with a whole bag full of it. These guys simply know how marketing, on the base of popular products, works.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:40 am

chk071 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
chk071 wrote:Synth of the year? On KVR?
Music Radar synth of the year either last year or the year before.
Ah... well, let's not forget that KV331 sent out newsletters to Synthmaster customers with the request to vote in that poll. So, this one especially has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Or with a whole bag full of it. These guys simply know how marketing, on the base of popular products, works.

Point is, if the synth didn't sell like hotcakes, it wouldn't matter. The fact that there are that many KVR members who own it that it was able to beat out every other synth on the planet makes the synth anything but underestimated. It's like saying Serum (top 5) is underestimated.

The thread is just stupid, period.

sfd · Post by **sfd** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:23 pm

@wagtunes No need to say anything more. It's perfectly clear the way you put it anyway

Synth1 has been (and sitll is) ranked as the , hby far, most popular freebie synth at KVR..for ages. Of course thats' becase it's one of the "mos tunderesitmate" synths.

Not to mention some syntths by a very U-nknown and forgotten developer who's fan-boys are just as rare at KVR as striped horses. None, not even ONE, of this developer's syntths are even near the top ranks of KVR.

Indeed, some of those synths are clearly witout any doubt some of the "MOST u-nderestiamted".

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:48 pm

wagtunes wrote:
chk071 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
chk071 wrote:Synth of the year? On KVR?
Music Radar synth of the year either last year or the year before.
Ah... well, let's not forget that KV331 sent out newsletters to Synthmaster customers with the request to vote in that poll. So, this one especially has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Or with a whole bag full of it. These guys simply know how marketing, on the base of popular products, works.
Point is, if the synth didn't sell like hotcakes, it wouldn't matter.

Well, if i did non-stop sales, and even would charge $10 for my anyway non-expensive synth at some point, i'd probably sell like hot cakes too.

They simply seem to have another business model. Instead of charging $149 or more, like everyone else, they want to grab a big pool of customers. Frankly, that could backfire though, when you can't handle the support requests at all (hint hint, if you read this forum frequently, you probably have faced people already, who wondered why their support requests weren't replied from KV331).

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:55 pm

chk071 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
chk071 wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
chk071 wrote:Synth of the year? On KVR?
Music Radar synth of the year either last year or the year before.
Ah... well, let's not forget that KV331 sent out newsletters to Synthmaster customers with the request to vote in that poll. So, this one especially has to be taken with a pinch of salt. Or with a whole bag full of it. These guys simply know how marketing, on the base of popular products, works.
Point is, if the synth didn't sell like hotcakes, it wouldn't matter.
Well, if i did non-stop sales, and even would charge $10 for my anyway non-expensive synth at some point, i'd probably sell like hot cakes too. They simply seem to have another business model. Instead of charging $149 or more, like everyone else, they want to grab a big pool of customers. Frankly, that could backfire though, when you can't handle the support requests at all (hint hint, if you read this forum frequently, you probably have faced people already, who wondered why their support requests weren't replied from KV331).

True, but besides the point of this thread.

Bottom Line: In a thread where we're talking about underestimated synths (whatever the hell that even means anyway because I still have no clue) Synthmaster belongs nowhere in the conversation.

As a lot of other synths in this pointless thread.

kurodo · Post by **kurodo** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:18 pm

wagtunes wrote:
The thread is just stupid, period.

Maybe stupid to you, lets remind everyone you aren't in a position of authority though.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:50 pm

If I could mention truly underestimated synths and which are very rarely mentioned at KVR, I would cite:

AAS - String Studio (wonderful and yet very rarely mentioned at KVR)
AudioRealism - ReDominator
Benoit Serrano - Anubis 2
Benoit Serrano - Cosmos
Benoit Serrano - Dionysos EX
Benoit Serrano - Hades XT
Benoit Serrano - Horus (and Horus MK-II)
Benoit Serrano - Orpheus (and Orpheus 2)
Benoit Serrano - Selena
Cescato - Trans Computer Maschine
Gunnar Ekornas - Messiah
Kenneth Rundt - Synthfont (the standalone edition, incredibly good in its special domain which is at the same time the most comprehensive SF2 player (and some other sample formats) and a kind of very comprehensive DAW)
KX77Free - KX-Modulad
KX77Free - KX-Polymod
KX77Free - KX-Polym-CSE
KX77Free - KX-Synth-X16
LinPlug - CRX4
LinPlug - Morphox
LinPlug - Octopus (it has been discontinued precisely BECAUSE if its huge underestimation)
LinPlug - SaxLab
LinPlug - Spectral
ML-VST - PG-8X (apart its own thread it is never mentioned anywhere despite its huge quality)
NuSofting - DaHornet
NuSofting - EMM Knagalis
NuSofting - Modelonia (despite its huge quality, who talk about it outside its own thread ?)
NuSofting - Strings Dream Synth
Wolfgang Palm - Plex2
XILS-LAB Oxium

These are not necessarily top notch synths of the world, some have even better competitors by other brands... but in that list above, they all are authentically underestimated. And I have many other examples...

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:02 pm

BlackWinny wrote:If I could mention truly underestimated synths and which are very rarely mentioned at KVR, I would cite:

AAS - String Studio (wonderful and yet very rarely mentioned at KVR)

AudioRealism - ReDominator

Benoit Serrano - Anubis 2

Benoit Serrano - Cosmos

Benoit Serrano - Dionysos EX

Benoit Serrano - Hades XT

Benoit Serrano - Horus (and Horus MK-II)

Benoit Serrano - Orpheus (and Orpheus 2)

Benoit Serrano - Selena

Cescato - Trans Computer Maschine

Gunnar Ekornas - Messiah

Kenneth Rundt - Synthfont (incredibly good in its special domain)

KX77Free - KX-Modulad

KX77Free - KX-Polymod

KX77Free - KX-Polym-CSE

KX77Free - KX-Synth-X16

LinPlug - Octopus (it has been discontinued precisely BECAUSE if its huge underestimation)

LinPlug - SaxLab

ML-VST - PG-8X (apart its own thread it is never mentioned anywhere despite its huge quality)

Wolfgang Palm - Plex2

XILS-LAB Oxium
These are not necessarily top notch synths of the world, some have even better competitors by other brands... but in that list above, they all are authentically underestimated. And I have many other examples...

See, now this is a really nice list. I just downloaded the 64 bit KX synths (only reason I didn't use them prior) and will be purchasing Oxium shortly. Serrano's synths are also very cool but sadly 32 bit so I can't use them.

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:04 pm

String Studio usually gets mentioned any time anyone asks about physical modeling or string synths, and several have said it's their favorite AAS VST. I don't think people underestimate it; some people just don't need those sorts of sounds much.

The rest of your list is good though

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:06 pm

I must admit that i underestimated the amount of "The most underestimated..." threads here.

The most underestimated synths...