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etherdesign · Post by **etherdesign** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:01 pm

Wow not even one question about the sound before people started with a barrage of complaining about the discount about how they got a plugin at a discount before so they should get this one at a discount too.. Typical. Sorry, liquidsonics. It sounds awesome and I'm looking forward to it!

liquidsonics · Post by **liquidsonics** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:57 pm

plexuss wrote:I have Reverberate 2. If I were to get 7th Heaven Pro, would there be any need to keep the Fusion-IRs for Reverberate 2 around or are they essentially redundant?

If you've got projects that use the Reverberate 2 Fusion-IRs, especially with edits, it's just a matter of whether you're able to port those across to a different plugin that has different controls and different features in general.

ftech wrote:Having said that, I do have a question though; Will there be an upgrade path from the standard to pro version?

Yes, that will be coming. Just needs a little server work to make that possible. So if you can only stretch to the standard at the moment you'll get some money off the pro when it's more affordable for you.

simmo75 wrote:How does this compare to the Exponential Audio R4 or Relab VSR S24?
I need another reverb like a bullet in the head but i loved Reverberation 2. Arghhhhhhh!

They're just totally different reverbs for different occasions. That realistic, thick lushness of the M7's sound is just not found elsewhere, so it has a place next to those.

Tp3 wrote:Matt, are SH & SH-PRO the same, soundwise ?
I understand feature wise PRO is much more elaborate but under the same settings, are they the same ?

The difference with the pro is in the library and feature set.

Rob James G wrote:Hi Matt,
Question: Will there be any more Fusion IRs packs for the three new reverbs Reverberate 2/Slate Suite/Seven Heaven Pro?

Since the pro has so much algorithmic style control, I don't see there being as much of a requirement to continually feed it new IRs to allow people to make the most of it like you have with a regular convolution reverb. Sure you don't have exactly the freedom you do on an M7, but it will be possible to pretty much find the sound you want by editing one of the hundreds of the existing presets. That said, when v3 M7 drops I'll look into whether presets from that can be added. I also might add the non-lin presets.

Reverberate 2 / VerbSuite Classics are separate products with their own roadmaps. Seventh Heaven does not change that and remains M7 focused exclusively. Hence we have a great general purpose convolver in Reverberate 2 that will continue to develop. Whether some of the general ideas of this massive multi-sampling make it into future Reverberate versions, well perhaps, but too early to say. Whether there is another reverb that it makes sense to do in the style of Seventh Heaven, or two or three, I don't know, also too early to say but I would be more likely to try and work that towards a general solution in Reverberate as I see that as a very powerful tool that I want to continue to progress.

Plans for content in VerbSuite Classics are really down to Slate Digital, I don't do the sampling for that.

KingofBeers wrote:I also echo what is said above & is development for Rev2 stopped? - such a great reverb. Waiting on more Libs from you guys

Yes it's true, the Reverberate 2 library needs expanding and it will happen - at least you can see one of the new products that's been going on in the background as some form of an excuse!

etherdesign wrote:Wow not even one question about the sound before people started with a barrage of complaining about the discount about how they got a plugin at a discount before so they should get this one at a discount too.. Typical. Sorry, liquidsonics. It sounds awesome and I'm looking forward to it!

To this, and all the other compliments about sound quality, UI, design and so on it's much appreciated. Really pleased so many people are loving it already! Very proud of what's been possible here and it fulfils technical ambitions I've had for a number of years, I just love the M7, and I feel like this brings it so much closer to everybody to experience what an amazing piece of hardware it is.

Rob James G · Post by **Rob James G** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:09 pm

Matt,
Thanks for the reply.
I wish Liquidsonics well with a successful venture into the more high end/iLok market with 7th Heaven and hope you can find time to continue support and development for your existing market sector.
If it doesn't work out that way Reverberate 2 is a fine product as it is anyway. Maybe 7th Heaven will bring you more customers for all the products.

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:28 pm

liquidsonics wrote:
Tp3 wrote:Matt, are SH & SH-PRO the same, soundwise ?
I understand feature wise PRO is much more elaborate but under the same settings, are they the same ?
The difference with the pro is in the library and feature set.

So, if the library is different, the sound is... what ?

I just think that it should be fair towards customers that we don't get way different sound.

etherdesign · Post by **etherdesign** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:35 pm

etherdesign wrote:Wow not even one question about the sound before people started with a barrage of complaining about the discount about how they got a plugin at a discount before so they should get this one at a discount too.. Typical. Sorry, liquidsonics. It sounds awesome and I'm looking forward to it!

To this, and all the other compliments about sound quality, UI, design and so on it's much appreciated. Really pleased so many people are loving it already! Very proud of what's been possible here and it fulfils technical ambitions I've had for a number of years, I just love the M7, and I feel like this brings it so much closer to everybody to experience what an amazing piece of hardware it is.[/quote]

You should be proud, it sounds great, and like a lot of work, you should be compensated fairly for it. I'm not the biggest fan of iLok but I'm considering getting one for this plugin alone, it sounds that good and it's something I've been looking for for a long time.

hoth · Post by **hoth** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:42 pm

I got this one and am an owner of all other Liquidsonics stuff. And boy did I not need another reverb. I actually have no problem with the iLok. I appreciate he convenience and portability, and with the backup insurance that iLok offers it takes a lot of the worry out of holding onto my licenses.

liquidsonics · Post by **liquidsonics** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:56 pm

Tp3 wrote:
liquidsonics wrote:
Tp3 wrote:Matt, are SH & SH-PRO the same, soundwise ?
I understand feature wise PRO is much more elaborate but under the same settings, are they the same ?
The difference with the pro is in the library and feature set.
So, if the library is different, the sound is... what ?

I just think that it should be fair towards customers that we don't get way different sound.

It's not "way different", they're both really close to M7, but there are improvements that you can get from sampling all 3 reverb components independently and running dedicated convolvers tuned specifically to different requirements than is possible in a general purpose product. There are always going to be compromises in a general purpose product because of differing requirements. Seventh Heaven is a no compromises laser focused product to get as close as possible to the best reverb there is, the tradeoff is that it's limited to that reverb. Just happens to be the best reverb there is so I think it's the best place to focus that effort.

etherdesign wrote:You should be proud, it sounds great, and like a lot of work, you should be compensated fairly for it. I'm not the biggest fan of iLok but I'm considering getting one for this plugin alone, it sounds that good and it's something I've been looking for for a long time.

Much appreciated!

hoth wrote:I got this one and am an owner of all other Liquidsonics stuff. And boy did I not need another reverb.

TheKid · Post by **TheKid** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:48 pm

I was hyped until I read the word 'iLok'.

I just hope that my Reverberate 2 stays iLok-free. I just hate these PACE bloodsuckers. Additional costs, one usb port less or the risk of licences getting lost due to SSD crash. No thanks.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:53 pm

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liquidsonics · Post by **liquidsonics** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:56 pm

TheKid wrote:I was hyped until I read the word 'iLok'. I just hope that my Reverberate 2 stays iLok-free. I just hate these PACE bloodsuckers. Additional costs, one usb port less or the risk of licences getting lost due to SSD crash. No thanks.

Reverberate 2 is not going to be put on iLok (or if I supported it, I will never do that exclusively and license files will always be an option).

All sales of Seventh Heaven standard and pro come with 2 iLok activations, so in the event of some disaster there will likely still be a spare activation to use. I'll also be responding in a very understanding way to people that need additional licenses because of some disaster. It is very easy for me to drop an NFR into somebody's account if they've got a problem.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:16 pm

THIS is the kind of simplicity I'm looking for in a reverb product (ok, maybe a couple more knobs but that's it).

I wish you did a minimalistic GUI for Reverberate 2 (I'm a Rev1 owner who didn't upgrade because of this) - it is too complex and feature packed for it to be useful. I'd rather use Steinberg's REVerence just because it's simpler.

All I need is an IR browser, mix control, size/pre-delay, and 2-Band EQ. That's it. Give me a convolution reverb WITHOUT any bells and whistles and you have me sold, sir.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:21 pm

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electricthing · Post by **electricthing** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:22 pm

TheKid wrote:I was hyped until I read the word 'iLok'.

+1
Just ditched the Ilok, I am very interested in this reverb, like in Exponential Audio reverbs, but I won't go back to using the Ilok dongle. Most brands allow the Pace PC authorization, even Relab has recently ditched the Ilok dongle. I sold Lexicon because of it.

TheKid · Post by **TheKid** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:24 pm

plexuss wrote:
TheKid wrote:I was hyped until I read the word 'iLok'. I just hope that my Reverberate 2 stays iLok-free. I just hate these PACE bloodsuckers. Additional costs, one usb port less or the risk of licences getting lost due to SSD crash. No thanks.
True but with iLok you get access to a lot of great sounding tools. As a previously anti-iLok guy I am glad I was forced into iLok USB simply because it transformed the quality of my work to a whole new higher level.

Ah, you got weak, you little sinner.

Granted, some great products are iLok-protected but I won't sell my soul to the devil.

Not every developer handles iLok issues as great as Matt. I use my laptop at band gigs when touring and losing those little usb keys or having my whole laptop bag stolen is just too risky. Up to now I always found an alternative to "iLoked" software. The whole system protects devs from new customers rather than from piracy. But that's just my 2 cents.

liquidsonics wrote: Reverberate 2 is not going to be put on iLok (or if I supported it, I will never do that exclusively and license files will always be an option).

Now that's a relief.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:39 pm

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