KVR Audio

efficace · Post by **efficace** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:31 am

My memory is a little fuzzy, but does anyone 'member this program that you could apply different simple effects to your audio, and I don't think you could hear the results until you exported the file? I 'member using it around the time period of Bram Bros. Tuna fish and Tuareg programs. If any old timer knows what I'm talkng about, please let me know. Thanks.

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:27 pm

Maybe that was CoolEdit Pro? That became Adobe Audition...
Or Audacity? That has some very basic effects as well.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:35 pm

efficace wrote:My memory is a little fuzzy, but does anyone 'member this program that you could apply different simple effects to your audio, and I don't think you could hear the results until you exported the file? I 'member using it around the time period of Bram Bros. Tuna fish and Tuareg programs. If any old timer knows what I'm talkng about, please let me know. Thanks.

A program like what you describe would have to be really primitive. I remember that Alchemy and Sound Designer (launched somewhere around 1984/1985), already allowed to perform some DSP tasks (destructively) and the effects were immediately audible after rendering the file, without having to export anything. You could save the file and make the changes permanent, or you could revert (the changes were performed in a temporary file creted every time we opened the audio file to be edited).

feralsystems · Post by **feralsystems** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:44 pm

Was it HOG? That is one of the few that I remember from years ago.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia ... /HOG.shtml

Although, it was more about performing spectral processes as opposed to simple edits.

annode · Post by **annode** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:48 pm

I see now Tu2 is Tuareg
http://www.brothersoft.com/the-tuareg-71638.html

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:56 pm

Could it be SoundHack, by Tom Erbe?

Xenakios · Post by **Xenakios** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:01 pm

SoX? http://sox.sourceforge.net/

Composer's Desktop Project? (Probably not though, as it was payware in the not so distant past...) http://www.unstablesound.net/cdp.html

efficace · Post by **efficace** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:45 pm

Thanks for all suggestions. I went through all of them, and I think it was a program that was a processing environment for CDP.

annode · Post by **annode** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:47 pm

efficace wrote:Thanks for all suggestions. I went through all of them, and I think it was a program that was a processing environment for CDP.

Just dloaded CDP to check it out. Is it worth the trouble?
EDIT- I am very interested in sound design/manipulation for my own use.

efficace · Post by **efficace** » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:41 pm

If you're just looking for different effects, I don't believe it's worth it, with everything out nowadays. But I'm personally trying out different ways to work, not necessarily a better or easier way.

jabe · Post by **jabe** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:01 am

Anyone used Digital Soup?

cron · Post by **cron** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:27 am

annode wrote:
efficace wrote:Thanks for all suggestions. I went through all of them, and I think it was a program that was a processing environment for CDP.
Just dloaded CDP to check it out. Is it worth the trouble?
EDIT- I am very interested in sound design/manipulation for my own use.

User for 10+ years here and I absolutely adore it, despite its many flaws. You might like to check this thread out. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6&t=446446

cron · Post by **cron** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:30 am

Efficace: Was it perhaps ProcessPack? HOG was my first guess as feralsystems suggested, but ProcessPack is semi-affiliated with CDP and you mentioned it perhaps being a CDP-like environment.

Second guess would be Cecilia which is a frontend for CSound processes that was available around the time too.

efficace · Post by **efficace** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:18 am

I had never heard of Cecilia before, but I'm gonna look into it.
It's kind-of crazy thinking back on how I used to get sounds versus now.

This is a BT vid I came across googling Cecilia

cron · Post by **cron** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:05 pm

efficace wrote:I had never heard of Cecilia before, but I'm gonna look into it.
It's kind-of crazy thinking back on how I used to get sounds versus now.

This is a BT vid I came across googling Cecilia

Ah, he's using CDP there. Fuunily enough, distort interpolate is one of my favourite processes! You can get all sorts of stuff out of that process. I like adding DC offset to knock the wave off centre before applying it, and it ends up sounding more like a granular process that morphs between grains.

Interesting that he's gone the command line/terminal route instead of using the Sound Loom GUI frontend. I know Sound Loom is regarded as a bit of a nightmare, but I didn't realise people preferred the terminal! Fortunately for me, we PC users have the SoundShaper frontend which is a lot of more straightforward and easy to use (but still extremely annoying in its own special way).

Cecilia is pretty easy to use too. No CSound knowledge required. You just pick a module and you get a bunch of breakpoint envelopes for the values/automation that you can tweak before hitting 'go'. I believe the latest versions of Cecilia (from v5 onward?) have ditched CSound altogether, moved to Python, and become a purely self contained environment rather than a front end for something else. I think the development team is completely different too and they've just resurrected the name. It's still worth digging out old versions of Cecilia though, as they work identically and have a few processes that the new version doesn't. All versions of Cecilia have been a bit crashy for me with certain modules mind. I used to love Cecilia for granular work before Xenakios came along and knocked it out of the park with his Hourglass granular processor (ultra-recommended!).

CDP:
Main site: http://www.composersdesktop.com/
Download: http://www.unstablesound.net/cdp.html
Soundshaper front end (recommended for PC users - Check out the manual which gives a great overview of CDP processes): http://www.ensemble-software.net/sshaper.html
Sound Loom front end (good luck Mac users - you may prefer the terminal): http://www.trevorwishart.co.uk/slfull.html

Cecilia
Cecilia 5 (try digging out circa v2 versions too): http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/cecilia/

Hourglass by Xenakios
Download (seriously, just get it right now): https://xenakios.wordpress.com/downloads/

Old school audio processor program