Reason for Ipad??!!

[bungle]

Total nonsense
1 you say a single VST instance could overload it, this is exactly the same as saying it is 55% CPU usage on my system.
Without knowing full specs or VST involved, 55% has no meaning whatsoever.
All VST use different amounts of CPU, so your comment is again total nonsense.
2 Yes the average music maker is average use case, just because you are willing to spend a ton of money does not mean you are average, the average music maker has bills, and more often than not music is second to family, so they are very much average pc users and making music is a happy side effect of owning that system, so again total nonsense.

Take your elitist "You need an $1100 laptop" views and put them wherever you like, there are at least 4 people that are my next door neighbours using VST plugins on Celeron laptops and Atom tablets, i dare to add they are knocking out tunes left right and sideways too!!

[chk071]

The average user (Which is what is being discussed obviously, right ? Because extreme use case can prove any argument) do not need the massive amounts of desktop power, laptops have actually caught up in that regard, most average music makers happily work on laptops instead of desktops.
I would also estimate that cost of entry has always been a factor to the average user too, and the cost of entry of a usable powerful laptop has dropped significantly, even if it isnt the very latest CPU generation.

Most laptops have not actually caught up in that regard. The majority of laptops are using intel 'U' variant processors. Those are basically equivalent to the old core2duo processors from many years ago. I have one in my 2in1, and a single vst can easily overload it. To even come close to workable performance you need an MQ or HQ processor and to get those those laptops generally start closer to 1100$ (except for a few rare cases and older models). In comparison you can build a desktop that would wipe the floor with that 1000$ laptop for 500 or less

And no, we arent talking about the average user. The average user case and the average music maker case are still completely different in power needs. The true average user could still happily computer with 10+ year old equipment (my parents are completely happy with an old c2d laptop I gave them years ago). This is why so many people are just fine with tablets for every day use.

I agree that desktop are generally much more performant than laptops (which are built to not tax the battery too much, and heat up, obviously), but, every i3 cheapo processor in laptops should be faster than any Core2Duo really. And have a much better performance/power consumption ratio on top of that.

[ezelkow1]

The average user (Which is what is being discussed obviously, right ? Because extreme use case can prove any argument) do not need the massive amounts of desktop power, laptops have actually caught up in that regard, most average music makers happily work on laptops instead of desktops.
I would also estimate that cost of entry has always been a factor to the average user too, and the cost of entry of a usable powerful laptop has dropped significantly, even if it isnt the very latest CPU generation.

Most laptops have not actually caught up in that regard. The majority of laptops are using intel 'U' variant processors. Those are basically equivalent to the old core2duo processors from many years ago. I have one in my 2in1, and a single vst can easily overload it. To even come close to workable performance you need an MQ or HQ processor and to get those those laptops generally start closer to 1100$ (except for a few rare cases and older models). In comparison you can build a desktop that would wipe the floor with that 1000$ laptop for 500 or less

And no, we arent talking about the average user. The average user case and the average music maker case are still completely different in power needs. The true average user could still happily computer with 10+ year old equipment (my parents are completely happy with an old c2d laptop I gave them years ago). This is why so many people are just fine with tablets for every day use.

I agree that desktop are generally much more performant than laptops (which are built to not tax the battery too much, and heat up, obviously), but, every i3 cheapo processor in laptops should be faster than any Core2Duo really. And have a much better performance/power consumption ratio on top of that.

Oh a newer one will definitely have better perf/power ratio for sure, but performance wise they are quite close, here's the best current i3 u-series processor vs one of the top end of life c2d's:
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core2-Duo ... e-i3-6100U

They are quite close in performance outside of a few benchmarks that swing greatly to one side or the other

[ezelkow1]

Total nonsense
1 you say a single VST instance could overload it, this is exactly the same as saying it is 55% CPU usage on my system.
Without knowing full specs or VST involved, 55% has no meaning whatsoever.
All VST use different amounts of CPU, so your comment is again total nonsense.
2 Yes the average music maker is average use case, just because you are willing to spend a ton of money does not mean you are average, the average music maker has bills, and more often than not music is second to family, so they are very much average pc users and making music is a happy side effect of owning that system, so again total nonsense.

Take your elitist "You need an $1100 laptop" views and put them wherever you like, there are at least 4 people that are my next door neighbours using VST plugins on Celeron laptops and Atom tablets, i dare to add they are knocking out tunes left right and sideways too!!

No need to blow things out of proportion. First my overload was comparing the same patch in the same daw on my 2in1 vs. my desktop, so an i5-6200u vs i7-6700k, a single patch that might do 20% on the 6700 will cause overload on the 6200u. Of course you can easily compare benchmarks to find out the difference in performance especially when it comes to number crunching used in audio processing. But sure, feel free to nitpick and make me explain it

Certainly users can make do with a lower spec machine if it suits them. All of my original posts were negating the fact that laptops have in anyway caught up to the performance of a desktop machine. So in order to come close to getting the same performance out of vsts that I get on my desktop I would need to start at an 1100$ machine, and that was my point, not that someone NEEDS an 1100$ machine, especially when you can get similar performance with a ~400$ desktop

No need to find anything elitist anywhere, Im just stating price vs. perf of available hardware. And yes, music creators are not average users. The average user reads email, watches youtube and netflix, and browses facebook. None of those are processor intensive. Any sort of audio work, photoshop use, etc, are all going to use 10x more processor power than any average user. So while someone may be able to get by on lower spec to do that work, that does not make them average. It seems as though you are equating price spent to whether or not someone is average, Im trying to equate actual computer usage to an average user, two completely different things

[Cinebient]

But then an average windows notebook costs you half the money of the latest iPads Pro.
The day i get Logic on iOS i would be happy but it won't replace a 15" notebook for that i just payed € 200 more (it was a good sale indeed) compared to a maxed 12.9" iPad Pro.
What i really miss is that Apple won't let me use just iOS apps on my mac. I mean they could let me run iOS beside macOS if they wanted in some ways.
Windows 10 would be the most interesting OS for me if Microsoft could attract some of the iOS developers to make windows 10 versions of their apps.
The iPad Pro is a crippled device which doesn't should called pro when it's even not possible to create several accounts for one device, you still can't develope apps on it and need for some things that crappy i-tunes on your PC/Mac.
Anyway in some years we all just load a 1 dollar app, choose a genre and mood, push that randomize button and it will spit out track after track. Welcome to the future of music

[festeringheap]

...when you port over a traditional synth with loads of knobs it just doesn't work well. It is hard to make fine adjustments on knobs.

Have you tried out the Thor for iPad for precision adjustments?

[IncarnateX]

Just saw this thread. Interesting, though I wonder what they will go for. They cannot go full Reason so question is how they will cut it down. More like earlier versions or something new? How many orginal modules? REs for iPad? iPad has long been inferior with regard to full scale productions, but good for bedroom stuff. Now that e.g. Cubasis can use audiounits and save all settings internally, iPad daws are getting closer and closer to desktop daws. Just like Korg's Gadget, a well designed iReason studio could rock the house.

[bungle]

IReason will be little more than an RE player, they see the open market on IAPs and will try to recreate the Korg Gadget ethos.
And they already have all those REs ready to IAP.

I doubt they will support all the great standards on IOS like audioshare and Audiobus and such.

[dony]

Would love this. iPad is the future of music production. Just needs more serious software.

No way!
It's a great tool but not the future!
How could it ever replace a desktop or even notebook.
They work great together. But for sure it's not THE future!

I am the more than agree with you, i have an iPad and it is very good but it can't be called the future

[Cinebient]

Let's see what Apple shows today/tomorrow.