KVR Audio

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:08 am

Maybe they'll finally fix the audio issues

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:50 am

Could it be the new owners that have demanded vst support in Reason?

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:37 am

Ok to all these stoned short sighted fanboys which tried to convince me how PDC in Modular Reason nature is impossible because Reason is modular and superior whatever and that PDC will consume CPU cycles and to all less gifted which then split hairs and added other variables in talk - when i was trying to tell you that something like this is PERFECTLY possible for years in VST and that Reason should be capable of doing it and that there is no reason that they don't -

https://www.propellerheads.se/reason-95

Read their FAQ

How does the delay compensation work?
Some effects in a signal chain will introduce delay in the timing. With the delay compensation on, Reason will calculate the total delay in each signal path and adjust the timing of each discrete signal path accordingly, to assure perfectly timed, phase correct playback. The adjustment is automatic but can also be set manually for each mixer channel.

Only thing where i was wrong is when i said that they will want to charge you for this...update is free. Now when they got financial injection it was about the f*** time.

Ok case closed. At least one win over stoned people. One...

LOL

eXode · Post by **eXode** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:41 am

Numanoid wrote:Could it be the new owners that have demanded vst support in Reason?

Like Mattias explained in the other thread, VST support was on the tables before that deal.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:43 am

eXode wrote:
Numanoid wrote:Could it be the new owners that have demanded vst support in Reason?
Like Mattias explained in the other thread, VST support was on the tables before that deal.

Sure. Sure. But new owners also had their plans (and demands) with Reason far far before they made public announcement

. It's not like they appeared in PH Friday and it was bought next day

eXode · Post by **eXode** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:52 am

kmonkey wrote:
eXode wrote:
Numanoid wrote:Could it be the new owners that have demanded vst support in Reason?
Like Mattias explained in the other thread, VST support was on the tables before that deal.
Sure. Sure. But new owners also had their plans (and demands) with Reason far far before they made public announcement . It's not like they appeared in PH Friday and it was bought next day

Sure, but fact remains that the deal wasn't known internally (except for founders) till shortly before it was announced publically. VST support have been in development much longer than that.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:55 am

eXode wrote:Sure, but fact remains that the deal wasn't known internally (except for founders) till shortly before it was announced publically. VST support have been in development much longer than that.

Too bad they didn't implent it before then, maybe they would not have to be bought up

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:56 am

Frankly, i'd be damned if it wasn't one of the requirements, when the new owners took over. Of course noone will admit that now. After all, they marketed RE's as the thing which is so superior to VST, and so much more profitable for developers.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:03 am

It will be a big incentive for Reason pre-9 owners to upgrade.

eXode · Post by **eXode** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:04 am

Numanoid wrote:
eXode wrote:Sure, but fact remains that the deal wasn't known internally (except for founders) till shortly before it was announced publically. VST support have been in development much longer than that.
Too bad they didn't implent it before then, maybe they would not have to be bought up

It might be so simple that Marcus and Pelle didn't want to continue after 20+ years in propellerhead and Ernst didn't have the capital to buy their shares hence the search for outside investors. Ernst remains the largest minority share owner.

This is speculation of course but I think it's a possible scenario. Marcus haven't been active in propellerheads for quite some time as far as I understand. I don't know about Pelle but considering propellerheads haven't produced that many in house RE lately it is possible that Pelle has become less active as well.

chk071 wrote:Frankly, i'd be damned if it wasn't one of the requirements, when the new owners took over. Of course noone will admit that now. After all, they marketed RE's as the thing which is so superior to VST, and so much more profitable for developers.

It's a possibility, but the info so far is that VST already was in development but it might be a chicken or egg scenario. At any rate it seems more likely that propellerhead identified the need for VST support to make Reason more competitive - outside investors aside.

Anosou · Post by **Anosou** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:24 am

kmonkey wrote:
eXode wrote:
Numanoid wrote:Could it be the new owners that have demanded vst support in Reason?
Like Mattias explained in the other thread, VST support was on the tables before that deal.
Sure. Sure. But new owners also had their plans (and demands) with Reason far far before they made public announcement . It's not like they appeared in PH Friday and it was bought next day

True, but just so you know: I was working on our future Reason strategy with Ernst quite a while back and laid out my case for VST (as Product Manager, my job is figuring out Reason's future). I can tell you that I definitely didn't know the VC investment was on the table.

Conspiracy theories are fun and all, but that's how it went down.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:38 am

Music Radar (Future Music/Computer Music) use two words to describe the story

At last!

http://www.musicradar.com/news/propelle ... in-support

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:03 pm

kmonkey wrote:Ok to all these stoned short sighted fanboys which tried to convince me how PDC in Modular Reason nature is impossible

Repeating your fundamental ignorance of how PDC works will not change the facts. PDC cannot be accurately compensated for for any feedback loops in the audio graph, it is impossible. You could implement PDC without compensating for those loops, or you could fudge the PDC values and compensate innacurately, but you cannot calculate it exactly, so any part of your audio graph which contains such a loop will never be truly, accurately latency-correct.
I gave you the technical explanation, so try and absorb it instead of letting the Dunning-Kruger run away with you.
And please, dont be so naive as to argue that because someone says they have automatic PDC, that it somehow means that they solved that impossibility; they'll have merely avoided it in some manner, probably by just fudging the calculations for feedback loops as though there was no feedback.

Gribs · Post by **Gribs** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:44 pm

Maybe Props will bring the GUI resolution into the 21st century now too.

I will definitely consider upgrading from V7 now. I just let my license hang and moved on to other things for a while.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:21 pm

Numanoid wrote:Music Radar (Future Music/Computer Music) use two words to describe the story

At last!

http://www.musicradar.com/news/propelle ... in-support

Bang goes the Re market

Propellerhead Software has been bought