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fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 3:43 pm

Maybe Reasons Rack will be removed one day too , like the Headphone Jack in the newer iPhone ? Maybe they'll port all there stuff to VST ?

eXode · Post by **eXode** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:20 pm

chk071 wrote:I'd be very surprised if we'd still see any RE's in 2 or 3 years. Maybe a few from the RE-exclusive developers. Apart from that, i can't really see it. And i'm pretty sure PH were aware of that.

It depends on if propellerhead continue to develop the platform/sdk.

On one hand RE critics say that no/few VST developers have adopted the format, and the majority of REs were developed by indie/RE exclusive developers. On the other hand, if this is true, your reasoning about the RE market falls short because the majoity of the developers today are RE exclusive anyway.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:36 pm

Ableguy1 wrote:I'd agree the whole "Rack Extensions" was a waste of literally everyone's time...

Except for the part where it wasn't. In the 5 years since they were added to Reason, users of Reason got to expand their rack with devices that fit perfectly within the rack ecosystem. There's some genuinely good stuff in there, too. I mean, if you've been only living in VST-land then this wouldn't mean anything to you, but for many Reasoners, I don't think they can imagine a rack without RE's. Certainly not a waste of everyone's time.

Now, if you mean a waste of big dev's time who tried porting their wares to RE, then YMMV. Chris @ Audio Damage didn't care for it at all, and Urs @ U-He didn't make enough to warrant a commitment. There were plenty of others who felt the same. But Rob Papen did, as did Synapse Audio and Softube, as well as a literal ton of indie-devs (Blamsoft is an indie-dev that comes to mind).

Anyway, this is all moot now. Everybody gets everything they wanted now!

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:45 pm

EnochLight wrote:
Ableguy1 wrote:I'd agree the whole "Rack Extensions" was a waste of literally everyone's time...
...There's some genuinely good stuff in there, too.

I'm not really interested in another wavetable or analog RE synth.

The REs I find the most interesting are the ones that really get the rack format and aren't just another synth or FX. Things like:

https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... fo-editor/
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/korde-sequencer/
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/cv-mutant/
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/synchronous/

Those combined with the new R9 player devices give a whole new dimension to existing VSTs as well as the built-in devices.

I think both can co-exist provided the RE developers understand the strengths of a native rack device.

MelissaZher · Post by **MelissaZher** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:19 pm

fedexnman wrote:Maybe Reasons Rack will be removed one day too , like the Headphone Jack in the newer iPhone ? Maybe they'll port all there stuff to VST ?

This is highly unlikely...

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:36 pm

MelissaZher wrote:
fedexnman wrote:Maybe Reasons Rack will be removed one day too , like the Headphone Jack in the newer iPhone ? Maybe they'll port all there stuff to VST ?
This is highly unlikely...

I watched the 9.5 video looks like Racks are here to stay which makes sense .... The VST thingy looks more like a Racks VST wrapper , looks well thought out .

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:27 pm

fedexnman wrote:.... The VST thingy looks more like a Racks VST wrapper , looks well thought out .

To be clear, although it may look like a wrapper, it's not. It's an actual implementation of VST. It's just handled the "Reason way" (i.e., interfaced into the rack via a rack device).

fedexnman · Post by **fedexnman** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 3:32 pm

EnochLight wrote:
fedexnman wrote:.... The VST thingy looks more like a Racks VST wrapper , looks well thought out .
To be clear, although it may look like a wrapper, it's not. It's an actual implementation of VST. It's just handled the "Reason way" (i.e., interfaced into the rack via a rack device).

Looks good .. the GUI is appears to be wrapped in a rack GUI ...is what I meant.

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:03 pm

fedexnman wrote:Maybe Reasons Rack will be removed one day too

They day that happens will be the day I stop using it.

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:08 pm

EnochLight wrote:
Ableguy1 wrote:I'd agree the whole "Rack Extensions" was a waste of literally everyone's time...
Except for the part where it wasn't. In the 5 years since they were added to Reason, users of Reason got to expand their rack with devices that fit perfectly within the rack ecosystem. There's some genuinely good stuff in there, too. I mean, if you've been only living in VST-land then this wouldn't mean anything to you, but for many Reasoners, I don't think they can imagine a rack without RE's. Certainly not a waste of everyone's time.

Now, if you mean a waste of big dev's time who tried porting their wares to RE, then YMMV. Chris @ Audio Damage didn't care for it at all, and Urs @ U-He didn't make enough to warrant a commitment. There were plenty of others who felt the same. But Rob Papen did, as did Synapse Audio and Softube, as well as a literal ton of indie-devs (Blamsoft is an indie-dev that comes to mind).

Anyway, this is all moot now. Everybody gets everything they wanted now!

The way these folks talk about devs who left RE because it didn't work for them is funny. Simple question. Have every dev that made VST found success in selling their products to such a large market?

beatmangler443 · Post by **beatmangler443** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:11 am

EvilDragon wrote:They like to talk big, but do little.

Guess the talk is big since they announced vst support and pdc.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Thu May 18, 2017 5:43 am

PDC? Didn't see that.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Thu May 18, 2017 5:44 am

And also, I do not think RE's were a "waste" of everyones time

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Thu May 18, 2017 1:24 pm

incubus wrote:PDC? Didn't see that.

Yep, and it works with stock devices and RE's as well.

jjpscott01 · Post by **jjpscott01** » Thu May 18, 2017 8:53 pm

incubus wrote:And also, I do not think RE's were a "waste" of everyones time

They certainly havent been a waste of my time. And from the sound of the new Blog post by Props CEO the other day and the brand new RE Releases by Rob Papen and Reveal Sound LTD, the format doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

Propellerhead Software has been bought