LiquidSonics Seventh Heaven and Seventh Heaven Professional

[comfortablynick]

Yes, it seems those of us that decided to support this product sooner rather than later get screwed out of £35 or $45US. On on earth is this a good business decision? Unbelievable. I am not happy about this. One of my pet peevs are devs that do these sales right after other sales and screw all those people that decided to pony up money sooner rather than later. I understand it if more time has elapsed where the product has been in the market for a longer period of time - I look at it as the cost to use the technology sooner rather than later - but for me this has to be at least a number of months - not a couple of weeks. I could have just been using the demo period all this time and saved myself another $45US. It hasen't even been 2 weeks!

This is exactly my situation. This plugin is priced at the high end for me, so I really played with it during the demo to try to convince myself not to buy it, lol. My demo ended today 5/1, but I went ahead with the purchase 3 days ago. If I would've waited until the end of the demo, I'd have saved $45 due to this random "sale within a sale". Not really happy about that at all.

Of course I figured it would get cheaper or be on sale some time in the future, which is always a possibility when buying early. I have no problem with that.

[malachy5]

Yes, it seems those of us that decided to support this product sooner rather than later get screwed out of £35 or $45US. On on earth is this a good business decision? Unbelievable. I am not happy about this. One of my pet peevs are devs that do these sales right after other sales and screw all those people that decided to pony up money sooner rather than later. I understand it if more time has elapsed where the product has been in the market for a longer period of time - I look at it as the cost to use the technology sooner rather than later - but for me this has to be at least a number of months - not a couple of weeks. I could have just been using the demo period all this time and saved myself another $45US. It hasen't even been 2 weeks!

This is exactly my situation. This plugin is priced at the high end for me, so I really played with it during the demo to try to convince myself not to buy it, lol. My demo ended today 5/1, but I went ahead with the purchase 3 days ago. If I would've waited until the end of the demo, I'd have saved $45 due to this random "sale within a sale". Not really happy about that at all.

Of course I figured it would get cheaper or be on sale some time in the future, which is always a possibility when buying early. I have no problem with that.

+1 I wish I'd waited longer also, bought on first day it came out!

[PapaG]

Can the impulses reside on an external drive?

[VariKusBrainZ]

I thought the email today mentioned those that already purchased would get a partial refund, or did I read it wrong?

[plexuss]

I thought the email today mentioned those that already purchased would get a partial refund, or did I read it wrong?

When the plugin was released, existing Reverberate 2 owners were offered £20 discount on the intro discounted price. Then people complained so they decided to give those people another £30 off for a total of £50.

The issue is that people who bought in the last 2 weeks, since Seventh Heaven was released, could have taken advantage of the 20% off sale today. Its a sale within a sale a short time later which is annoying people who already purchased. That and the demo period is 2 weeks, so we could have just used the demo period until today and gotten an extra 20% off. It just pisses people off - bad business from a customer experience perspective. Many companies do a proper job of scheduling sales so that they both achieve a business object and at least do not annoy customers too much. But other companies (cough!) are very bad at this and make decisions that result in poor customer experiences and so people bitch about it. theres no need for it - work smart.

[Klinke1]

Is the pre-delay behaviour like in the hardware??
(i have just read that convolution pre-delay behaviour is somehow different from algorithm fx..but dunno in what way, or why it is not so good in some conditions)

Yes, the pre-delay behavior in SHP is like the hardware M7 according to the developer.

It's not a question of algorithmic vs. convolution per se, but in order to accomplish this with convolution you have to sample each part of the reverb separately so that you can put the delay in between. With the Bricasti this also involves the low-freq reverb, so it's obvious how much attention to detail was put into sampling it.

I prefer to have both options; pre-delay for the whole reverb, and a delay for everything but the early reflections. R4, Nimbus, and VSR S24 are the algorithmic plugins I own which allow adjusting both delays.

Thanks for the reply! Bought..

[malachy5]

Can the impulses reside on an external drive?

Yes, that's how I have it. You can specify location in the app.

[plexuss]

Why would LiquidSonics charge £10 for a license transfer and then go to the trouble of generating and communicating an NFR code, when they could be totally hands-off and allow the transfer through iLok and allow the license to continue to be transferred? I sort of get the rationale of NFR where a company needs to expend effort to do transfers. But in the case of iLok if LS would allow hands-off transfers there would be no effort on their end and therefore no need to charge a fee and make then NFR.

Bizarre.

Make sure you fully understand the terms and conditions from LiquidSonics before you buy because if you transfer you will have to account for this additional fee and selling an NFR license.

[liquidsonics]

Why would LiquidSonics charge £10 for a license transfer and then go to the trouble of generating and communicating an NFR code, when they could be totally hands-off and allow the transfer through iLok and allow the license to continue to be transferred? I sort of get the rationale of NFR where a company needs to expend effort to do transfers. But in the case of iLok if LS would allow hands-off transfers there would be no effort on their end and therefore no need to charge a fee and make then NFR.

Bizarre.

Make sure you fully understand the terms and conditions from LiquidSonics before you buy because if you transfer you will have to account for this additional fee and selling an NFR license.

You're right, it's a pointless complication. I've changed the policy and people can just handle it through iLok license manager and pay the Pace fee. I don't need to be involved.

[plexuss]

Why would LiquidSonics charge £10 for a license transfer and then go to the trouble of generating and communicating an NFR code, when they could be totally hands-off and allow the transfer through iLok and allow the license to continue to be transferred? I sort of get the rationale of NFR where a company needs to expend effort to do transfers. But in the case of iLok if LS would allow hands-off transfers there would be no effort on their end and therefore no need to charge a fee and make then NFR.

Bizarre.

Make sure you fully understand the terms and conditions from LiquidSonics before you buy because if you transfer you will have to account for this additional fee and selling an NFR license.

You're right, it's a pointless complication. I've changed the policy and people can just handle it through iLok license manager and pay the Pace fee. I don't need to be involved.

That's excellent! Thanks for the consdieration and understanding and more for being reasonable and logical.

I never understood what kind of business rationale there could be for NFR - it seems to me that people transfering product licenses around would in general be good for business as it get the product into more people's hands - if the product is good, this will result in good "press" and insprire other to make direct purchases. Futher, an NFR license is restrictive and significantly reduces the value of the product there-by reducing potential sales of it - I see this often where people will say they wont buy a given product because it will go NFR after the first transfer.

What could possibly be the upside to selling an NFR-on-transfer license?

[plexuss]

Liquidsonics posted this on their Facebook page today:

"The interiors presets are a little delayed but are coming as part of a larger update in around a month which will also include the M7's nonlinear algorithm. Then you'll have access to all official and semi-official presets available for the hardware in Seventh Heaven Professional."

[liquidsonics]

These are now released. Remember to use the new interiors fully wet as they're designed to be that way. The non-linear reverbs are great. Unlike on an actual M7 you can even use the very low frequency reverb with them for some extra body.

[vic_france]

Remember to use the new interiors fully wet as they're designed to be that way.

Thanks for the tip (that really wouldn't have occurred to me!.. so used to using reverbs as Send FX )

[plexuss]

These are now released. Remember to use the new interiors fully wet as they're designed to be that way. The non-linear reverbs are great. Unlike on an actual M7 you can even use the very low frequency reverb with them for some extra body.

For current SH customers, how do we get these? I checked the LS site and it wasn't immediately apparent to me where they are.

[liquidsonics]

These are now released. Remember to use the new interiors fully wet as they're designed to be that way. The non-linear reverbs are great. Unlike on an actual M7 you can even use the very low frequency reverb with them for some extra body.

For current SH customers, how do we get these? I checked the LS site and it wasn't immediately apparent to me where they are.

If you go the software downloads for the product as usual, that's all at version 1.1 now, so you just need the updater installer.