KVR Audio

Harry_HH · Post by **Harry_HH** » Wed May 03, 2017 9:45 pm

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Harry_HH wrote:We end-users, who pay the bill, must always remember that fact, and possibility, no matter what the developer/salesman promises.
What promises?

Haven't you ever been promised anything by the salesperson?
Think e.g. about your computer OS, you are at least implicitly let understood that there are continuity, you can keep working with your set up. Same concerns almost every durable consumer good.
How long is the expected average life span of the DAW? Plugin? Software company?
Most likely you don't buy a car, no matter how good it is, if you know that manufacturing of the brand is ending, and no more spare parts or service will be delivered. Or the price of that car must be very low.
What if they don't tell you that, and you pay the full price? Happy? Have they cheated you?

pottering · Post by **pottering** » Wed May 03, 2017 10:09 pm

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Harry_HH wrote:We end-users, who pay the bill, must always remember that fact, and possibility, no matter what the developer/salesman promises.
What promises?

Are you hinting at all the Camel Audio info that got deleted from the Internet, including their entire subforum here on KVR?

liv · Post by **liv** » Wed May 03, 2017 11:24 pm

martinjuenke wrote:Would the new (Logic not Camel) ALCHEMY be better rated and judged by KVRians if it's a normal Mac/Windows based synth like most other good pieces of instruments out there? Is it underrated? Is it one of the better, more versatile and fun to play with plugins? Just wondering...

From my perspective, if you give it enough time, it' definitely one of the better, more versatile and fun to play with plugins. It can do all the basic things of course but more so, things I've never heard before. Time is really the culprit imho if you want to reach those eureka moments, which can be had when enough hours are spent. The new gui is also a huge step forward and makes it easy on the eyes (when working long hours) compared to v. 1.

JJBiener · Post by **JJBiener** » Thu May 04, 2017 12:33 am

I have an axe to grind with Apple. I was a long-time user of Logic on Windows. Its purchase by Apple left me without an upgrade path. I was also a user of Alchemy including several sound libraries. Again Apple buys it and leaves me without the ability to move forward. I don't begrudge Camel Audio getting a payday. I object to Apple once again taking a Windows/Mac product and restricting it to Mac only. Having now been burned twice, I will NEVER purchase an Apple product. Ever.

BasariStudios · Post by **BasariStudios** » Thu May 04, 2017 12:33 am

More like Overated.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:39 am

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Harry_HH wrote:We end-users, who pay the bill, must always remember that fact, and possibility, no matter what the developer/salesman promises.
What promises?

Alchemy 2 for PC.

Camel Audio had already announced that it was going to happen, and there was even a private beta. Then suddenly they (Ben) gave a big "screw you" to all PC users.

Anyway, I hope it was worth the 30 pieces of silver he was paid to betray his loyal customer fan base. And I hope his decision still riddles him with guilt to this day.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:14 am

Ben H wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Harry_HH wrote:We end-users, who pay the bill, must always remember that fact, and possibility, no matter what the developer/salesman promises.
What promises?
Alchemy 2 for PC.

Camel Audio had already announced that it was going to happen, and there was even a private beta. Then suddenly they (Ben) gave a big "screw you" to all PC users.

Anyway, I hope it was worth the 30 pieces of silver he was paid to betray his loyal customer fan base. And I hope his decision still riddles him with guilt to this day.

He didn't get 30 pieces of sliver, get got a f**k load more than that.I hope it helps him, the company and their families to achieve their dreams in life.

And good luck to him! f**king crybabies need to get a life,

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:28 am

I wished them luck but felt sorry for the people at kvr who put countless hours into the project (free of charge).

I'm not big on synthesis, so found the VSTi more annoying than anything. The simple things like loading presets just took forever.

Still have my backups but find the thing just kills my creativity.

Spent a bloody fortune on expansions too.

My name is Aloysius and I am a gearoholic.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Thu May 04, 2017 10:39 am

samsam wrote:He didn't get 30 pieces of sliver, get got a f**k load more than that.

No shit. But since nobody has verified the actual amount and all the suggestions have only been rumours and speculation, I used a metaphorical example instead.

Dumbass.

kevvvvv · Post by **kevvvvv** » Thu May 04, 2017 11:09 am

Alchemy? Schalchemy?

Bit of an outdated synth today, but okay if it's free.

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Thu May 04, 2017 1:52 pm

Aloysius wrote:The simple things like loading presets just took forever.

Imo, loading presets is still quite slow. Especially when compared to Omnisphere 2 for instance.

KBSoundSmith · Post by **KBSoundSmith** » Thu May 04, 2017 2:26 pm

samsam wrote:
Ben H wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Harry_HH wrote:We end-users, who pay the bill, must always remember that fact, and possibility, no matter what the developer/salesman promises.
What promises?
Alchemy 2 for PC.

Camel Audio had already announced that it was going to happen, and there was even a private beta. Then suddenly they (Ben) gave a big "screw you" to all PC users.

Anyway, I hope it was worth the 30 pieces of silver he was paid to betray his loyal customer fan base. And I hope his decision still riddles him with guilt to this day.
He didn't get 30 pieces of sliver, get got a f**k load more than that.I hope it helps him, the company and their families to achieve their dreams in life.

And good luck to him! f**king crybabies need to get a life,

+1

Amen

Edit:
I'd add that Camel Audio gave a generous amount of time for people to download files and backup what they had purchased. They didn't suddenly shut everything down without warning. Seems to me they went out of their way to make the business sale as painless as possible.

Businesses get sold and go out of business all of the time. Fact of life. Get used to it.

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:19 pm

JJBiener wrote: Having now been burned twice, I will NEVER purchase an Apple product. Ever.

I completely empathise with you, but both of these products weren't Apple's to start with, so how would you know? It's not your mistake and both Logic and Alchemy were and still are great products.

I would also like to see Logic for PC again... but it won't happen. Unless Apple gets ruined or near ruined. That might happen due to way it's been handled since Jobs kicked the bucket.

DuX · Post by **DuX** » Thu May 04, 2017 3:24 pm

kevvvvv wrote:Alchemy? Schalchemy?

Bit of an outdated synth today, but okay if it's free.

Outdated?! No synth is ever really outdated IMO.

If all the electronic musicians were like you I wonder what synths would be used today? If at all.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Thu May 04, 2017 4:32 pm

DuX wrote:
kevvvvv wrote:Alchemy? Schalchemy?

Bit of an outdated synth today, but okay if it's free.
Outdated?! No synth is ever really outdated IMO.
If all the electronic musicians were like you I wonder what synths would be used today? If at all.

For sure it's not outdated (at least for me).
The morphing, the modulations and a lot other stuff is still a lot i didn't find elsewhere in this form.

ALCHEMY underrated?