Audio Unit MIDI FX plugins for Logic Pro

[LFO8]

Maybe this is unrelated, but how do you send midi from one track to another in Logic Pro X? For instance if I wish to send the sequencer midi data fro Microtonic to a midi track that contains Battery 4.

It´s not the most friendly workflow but it´s possible of course.
F.e. Load a track with an instrument and the MIDI FX arp. Record some midi notes on this track.
Now if you want to have the midi output of the arp instead of the midi note you actually played you have to do this:
Copy the instrument and create a second track. Now replace the instrument for "external instrument" (you find it under utility in the instruments drop down list).
Open the external instrument and choose the IAC bus as midi destination).
Now drag (not copy) your recorded midi file to this second track.
Bypass the arp on your first track. Now you should arm the record on your first track (not on the second of course). Press record and let the playhead run trough your midi file.
Now it should record all the single midi notes triggered by the arp (or any other midi FX).
Easy Not really. But you can save this setting. You also can send it to different midi channels and some other things and whatever.
But i do wish for midi out one Logic AU´s on day. Every tiny iOS app has that option!
And Logic has an option to script your own MIDI FX included too.

Thank you.

That gives me some options but alas.. it still does not solve using the sequencer midi output from Microtonic in realtime and send that data to another track/instrument in real time.

[jbw]

Trying to organize these by type: ones that can run in sync with the host without any note input (sequencer/groovebox type), ones that require note input (standard MIDI FX), tools, etc.

If anyone knows what each does, please post. Not sure when I'll get a chance to run through them all.

[jbw]

Just updated the list, dividing up the arps/sequencers into groups: ones that don't need any note input and that will run in sync with the host, and ones that need a note input (like the built in MIDI FX by Apple).

I didn't demo all of them, so I'm not 100% sure they are in the correct category. Still felt it was a difference worth noting though.

[SirkusPi]

If the Blue Cat tools are being included (and I agree they should be), then Plogue's Bidule should also be included as a tool.

Also, people may want to check out the various threads concerning using Cream in Logic in the Kirnu forum here at KVR before purchasing. Although a MidiFX does exist, several people -- including myself -- have long experienced problems that render it unusable, and those problems have not to my knowledge been fixed at least as of the date of this post (see, for example, here and recently also here). Individual experience may vary, of course.

[bradkvr]

WaveDNA Liquid Music and Liquid Rhythm work in Logic. https://www.wavedna.com

[SirkusPi]

WaveDNA Liquid Music and Liquid Rhythm work in Logic. https://www.wavedna.com

They may work in Logic, but as far as I know (and please correct me if I am mistaken) they are not MidiFX plugins (the subject of this thread). Rather, I believe they are standalone applications that can be routed into Logic (and, moreover, require Java as I understand it, which admittedly has prevented me from investigating further).

[SirkusPi]

Actually, looking at the WaveDNA page, it does say they're plugins, so I may be incorrect...

[bradkvr]

They work as plugins. Still require Java though.

[jbw]

List updated. Could not find confirmation of Liquid Rhythm working as a MIDI FX.

[bradkvr]

from page 34 of the Liquid Music manual:

click the MIDI FX button and load Audio Units > WaveDNA Ltd. > LiquidMusic. BTW the screenshot is from my computer, not the manual.

[jbw]

from page 34 of the Liquid Music manual:

click the MIDI FX button and load Audio Units > WaveDNA Ltd. > LiquidMusic. BTW the screenshot is from my computer, not the manual.

Yeah I found a video for Liquid Music, but couldn't find anything on Liquid Rhythm.

[SirkusPi]

RF Music just released a new MidiFX plugin: Chord Payer. It's a useful idea, kind of reminiscent of AutoTheory but in MidixFX plugin format, so you don't have to route through the Mac's IAC midi bus.

Chord Player is still kind of rough around the edges, and is missing a number of pretty basic features (including many chord types beyond major, minor, and 4-5 others), but there's I do think there's loads of potential here. I actually bought it already, incomplete though it is, and already am finding it quite fun to use.

[Dewdman42]

LFOTool also has an MFX version

There are some VST plugins that can be used in LPX within PatchworkMFX as midi plugins:

RapidComposer
HY-MPS
HY-SEQ16
HyperCyclic
Jamstix
Tonespace
pizMidi plugins
Improvisator?
Geist
Tremor?
MidiPolysher
AutoTonic?

[Dewdman42]

RF Music just released a new MidiFX plugin: Chord Payer. It's a useful idea, kind of reminiscent of AutoTheory but in MidixFX plugin format, so you don't have to route through the Mac's IAC midi bus.

Just to clarify, if you have a VST plugin and BlueCatAudio Patchwork, you only need to route through an IAC bus if you need to send the midi output to a different track. The same is true for MFX plugins. Patchwork itself is an MFX, so it basically turns any VST into an MFX plugin.

[Dewdman42]

Thank you.

That gives me some options but alas.. it still does not solve using the sequencer midi output from Microtonic in realtime and send that data to another track/instrument in real time.

You can get this to work! Keep working with it. Pretty much as he described it above except I would reccomend you create a channel strip object in the environment to host the PatchworkMFX without having it associated with any track in LPX...so that the midi routed to the IAC can be routed to the sequencer object and used to record on any track without going back into microtonic again.

It is definitely realtime. The IAC bus has been found to have sub millisecond timing, don't worry about it, just wire it up and make some music.

another thing you can do with patchwork if you want sample accurate midi timing between microtonic and the other instruments you want to drive with it, is you can host the various instrument plugins and microtonic all inside Patchwork, the AU-inst version.