ALCHEMY underrated?

[pdxindy]

Logic is without doubt the best bang for the buck of any DAW...
So yeah, Logic users could well wish Apple buys a few more top developers out

There's just that tiny little condition - you have to be an Apple user. If not, you can add about $ 2000 in top of the Logic bill.

Quite a elitistic wish...

Obviously it requires an Apple computer... and if you have one, then Logic is a no brainer. Hell, it is worth getting Logic just for Sculpture. Sculpture is an extraordinary instrument.

[Ben H]

and also lol to people thinking they got only some silver/small money....

OMG are some of you people seriously THAT dense?

I have already explained that it was a METAPHOR, because no one can say what the exact amount was.

I used 30 pieces of silver as an example because that was the amount money that Judas betrayed Jesus for, when he sold him out to Pilate.

Also, are people seriously trying to argue that it was an okay thing to do because it was a LOT of money?

Whether you sell your soul for a single happy meal or 1000 happy meals, the point of the matter is, you've still sold your soul.

[dark water]

I won't get involved with the rest of your quote Ben, as it's not aimed at me (but some others instead in this thread) but with this:

Also, are people seriously trying to argue that it was an okay thing to do because it was a LOT of money?

My answer would be yes, I think that it is okay.
(Even though I don't think it was honorable, in truth I would have taken the money too, so for me it is okay).

Plus, souls are very curious things indeed...

[pdxindy]

Whether you sell your soul for a single happy meal or 1000 happy meals, the point of the matter is, you've still sold your soul.

If Camel had sold some people into slavery, there would be something to talk about. But a software synthesizer? Talk about loss of perspective

[Ben H]

If Camel had sold some people into slavery, there would be something to talk about. But a software synthesizer? Talk about loss of perspective

I wasn't suggesting that they sold someone into slavery, but they did BETRAY a lot of their customers/fans with their decision.

[wagtunes]

I only had the Alchemy player. I thought it was okay but I never really used it. I'm not sure why. Something about the interface didn't do it for me. When I finally decided I was going to get Alchemy it was too late. They had sold the company.

I've actually yet to even hear what Alchemy 2 sounds like not owning a Mac and having no interest in getting one. And I think that's part of the problem if not the main problem. Too many Windows users have no reason to check the new Alchemy out.

But underrated? Maybe underexposed is a better term. You really can't rate something that you have no contact with.

By the way, how DOES the new Alchemy sound? Better than the original? The same?

[aMUSEd]

Yes better - better resynthesis, stereo spectral editing, easier but also more complex morphing (more like it was in CA5000 but with higher quality), new spectral effects, lots more.

[wagtunes]

Yes better - better resynthesis, stereo spectral editing, easier but also more complex morphing (more like it was in CA5000 but with higher quality), new spectral effects, lots more.

Well, I'm happy for the Apple users. Yeah, finally let go of the anger. Took a while. Maybe someday, somebody will come out with a Windows equivalent.

[pdxindy]

If Camel had sold some people into slavery, there would be something to talk about. But a software synthesizer? Talk about loss of perspective

I wasn't suggesting that they sold someone into slavery, but they did BETRAY a lot of their customers/fans with their decision.

I understand that some people may feel betrayed... but I would say that is due to unrealistic expectations. (plus a dose of puritanical moralism)

Camel had no obligation to keep developing Alchemy. They are/were completely free to stop any time, to sell it, to throw the source code in the trash or whatever they want to do. They did not betray anyone.

The need to somehow punish them for not doing what someone wants says something about the person saying that, not them. Camel deserves appreciation for the useful tools they developed and then when they go away, simply say thank you.

[pdxindy]

Yes better - better resynthesis, stereo spectral editing, easier but also more complex morphing (more like it was in CA5000 but with higher quality), new spectral effects, lots more.

+1

[aMUSEd]

Camel had no obligation to keep developing Alchemy. They are/were completely free to stop any time, to sell it, to throw the source code in the trash or whatever they want to do. They did not betray anyone.

And they are continuing to develop it - only now with a much more secure relationship with a company that can fund it and provide a stable host for it too. I can see the advantages for the Camel folks in having to worry less about Alchemy having a secure future and not having multiple hosts to have to make it compatible with so they can focus just on developing Alchemy, with the R&D resources to back that up.

[Ben H]

I understand that some people may feel betrayed... but I would say that is due to unrealistic expectations. (plus a dose of puritanical moralism)

Except there were no unrealistic expectations

Camel said they were developing Alchemy 2 for PC
They talked about it and hyped it
They developed a beta for it.

I guess if you consider people expecting them to honor their word, then maybe that was unrealistic expectations.

Camel had no obligation to keep developing Alchemy. They are/were completely free to stop any time, to sell it, to throw the source code in the trash or whatever they want to do. They did not betray anyone.

I understand that they are under no obligation to keep developing Alchemy forever and can do whatever the hell they want with the code.

It was still a dickish move though. To tease something for so long and then to say "screw you" to most of their customers because they care more about green backs instead.

The need to somehow punish them for not doing what someone wants says something about the person saying that, not them.

I wasn't talking about punishing them. I'm not sure how you got that from what I posted?

[pdxindy]

The need to somehow punish them for not doing what someone wants says something about the person saying that, not them.

I wasn't talking about punishing them. I'm not sure how you got that from what I posted?

Here it is a long time later and you are still trying to punish them... bad mouthing them publicly. Trying to extract your pound of flesh for their perceived wrongs.

[pdxindy]

Camel said they were developing Alchemy 2 for PC
They talked about it and hyped it
They developed a beta for it.

So what... did you pay them some money in advance for Alchemy 2? If not, then there is nothing to complain about. Just because you experience some disappointment in life does not mean there must be someone at fault.

[Ben H]

The need to somehow punish them for not doing what someone wants says something about the person saying that, not them.

I wasn't talking about punishing them. I'm not sure how you got that from what I posted?

Here it is a long time later and you are still trying to punish them...

Again, I'm not trying to punish them.

I am simply expressing my disappointment at the fact that they chose to drop development for PC. Especially when they already had a version pretty much ready to go.

Also my disapproval at their decision to cut off a large portion of their customer base because they prefer dollars to customers.

That's my opinion.

I am allowed to express my opinions, aren't I?
Or are the only opinions that are allowed, the ones that line up with your own?

bad mouthing them publicly. Trying to extract your pound of flesh for their perceived wrongs.

Again, proof?

did you pay them some money in advance for Alchemy 2? If not, then there is nothing to complain about. Just because you experience some disappointment in life does not mean there must be someone at fault.

No. But them behaving like a cock-tease is pretty unbecoming.