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geqfreq · Post by **geqfreq** » Fri May 05, 2017 9:41 pm

It sounds good on paper but more money is more push. A faster deadline is not what we need. Solid Stable upgrades. I prefer Traditional License which is making me walk away from Bitwig. I already dropped Ableton. The shear upgrade price and how clunky it is now.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri May 05, 2017 10:42 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:I will NEVER subscribe to software. If it comes to being a world where ALL software is subscription based, i will give up on computers entirely.

Same for me... I used Adobe apps for 20 years. When they went subscription, I dropped them. I still use Lightroom because the current version is the last before they go subscription only. Fortunately, the Affinity apps (Designer and Photo) came along and I am happy with them. I want an InDesign replacement (which Affinity has on the docket).

If all my favorite music software went subscription, I would go hardware only.

Regnas · Post by **Regnas** » Fri May 05, 2017 10:58 pm

Only morons pay subs.........

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Sat May 06, 2017 4:38 am

I quite like having the option to buy an upgrade or not as far as my DAW is concerned. In theory, it also encourages the DAW maker to make upgrades people are willing to pay for.

I wouldn't be shocked if Cubase went subscription, but it might make me consider switching to Logic. As a student who owns a Cubase Pro, non educational license, I need flexibility in when I actually pony up for upgrades.

A hybrid subscription model is ok, as long as you maintain access to your software after the subscription ends.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sat May 06, 2017 4:42 am

I have a sub for groove 3 (to keep up with all the garbage I buy) so why not have a sub for a daw?

Btw, the secret ingredient in you chips is ........ (broken connection, sorry, I'll try to reboot)

masterhiggins · Post by **masterhiggins** » Sat May 06, 2017 5:24 am

Cubase is basically a subscription at this point. They seem to charge a hefty upgrade fee for every single .0000005 upgrade.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sat May 06, 2017 5:27 am

Been that way since version 4 afaik. And that was back in the day when it would set you back over 700 usd

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Sat May 06, 2017 12:18 pm

masterhiggins wrote:Cubase is basically a subscription at this point. They seem to charge a hefty upgrade fee for every single .0000005 upgrade.

It's more like a annual and biannual "hybrid" subscription model really... Basically the only difference is its not month to month.

But its still better than having to pay each month or losing access to the software... and you can still sell your license.

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Sat May 06, 2017 5:50 pm

masterhiggins wrote:Cubase is basically a subscription at this point. They seem to charge a hefty upgrade fee for every single .0000005 upgrade.

But you don't have to upgrade. Even if you treat it as a sub it still works out to only £7 a month. That's cheap compared to the $20-30 for the average sub.
Btw, I don't like subs.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat May 06, 2017 6:24 pm

Voice303 wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:Cubase is basically a subscription at this point. They seem to charge a hefty upgrade fee for every single .0000005 upgrade.
It's more like a annual and biannual "hybrid" subscription model really... Basically the only difference is its not month to month.

It is not a subscription cause if you don't upgrade you can still use the version you have

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat May 06, 2017 6:56 pm

Hi

my expectation for a DAW is the same as that for any other software - I want to pay for it, be able to use it with minimal fuss (no ILOK, PACE, C&R, E licenser or any other hoop jumping) and have a product that works and/or will be supported until it does.

I don't expect FREE updates that have a bunch of new features - I am quite happy to pay for them or decide not to if they do not appeal.

I do expect FREE updates which sort out bugs or anything that seriously makes the current version a PITA to use.

Subscription models IMO are a marketing ploy to 'rope' in people who cannot afford the software in the first instance or professionals who want their software up to date (possibly by way of automated updating) - no problem here, just saying what I think they are.

I have been using music software since Music X on the Amiga (and most of the popular DAWs to boot along with countless synth/effect VST's which use dongles and all the previously mentioned C/P) and have found (over 2 decades+) that anything that throws another application into the mix (I am talking copy protection that operates in the so called 'background' here) invariably causes headaches.

Sorry to rant, but you did ask: What do you prefer when paying for a daw? And why?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat May 06, 2017 7:37 pm

original flipper wrote:Subscription models IMO are a marketing ploy to 'rope' in people who cannot afford the software in the first instance or professionals who want their software up to date (possibly by way of automated updating) - no problem here, just saying what I think they are.

One thing the subscription model does is force the user to pay for every update whether they want the added features or not.

The traditional license leaves more control to the user and hence gives them more say over what gets added to the application. If the developer adds feature C,G and B and lots of users are not interested in those features, then they may not upgrade and the company would not get paid. The subscription model means the user has to pay for new features regardless of whether the user finds that feature of value or not.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Sat May 06, 2017 10:59 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Jace-BeOS wrote:I will NEVER subscribe to software. If it comes to being a world where ALL software is subscription based, i will give up on computers entirely.
Same for me... I used Adobe apps for 20 years. When they went subscription, I dropped them. I still use Lightroom because the current version is the last before they go subscription only. Fortunately, the Affinity apps (Designer and Photo) came along and I am happy with them. I want an InDesign replacement (which Affinity has on the docket).

I never used Lightroom. I use Bridge, which is actually free from Adobe.

I have my eyes on Affinity Photo and Designer; I've been watching their progress. It's good to hear that you're happy with them.

I'm still using an older Adobe Creative Suite on Snow Leopard. When I move to a new machine (whenever the future Mac Pro comes along), I'll likely abandon Adobe entirely with the new machine (because of being pushed to whatever new Mac OS it runs). The alternative in continuing to use Adobe's suite would involve unethical acts...

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun May 07, 2017 12:21 am

Absolutely never subscription for any software here.
It's too high-maintenance, it's too dodgy.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun May 07, 2017 12:23 am

pdxindy wrote:
original flipper wrote:Subscription models IMO are a marketing ploy to 'rope' in people who cannot afford the software in the first instance or professionals who want their software up to date (possibly by way of automated updating) - no problem here, just saying what I think they are.
One thing the subscription model does is force the user to pay for every update whether they want the added features or not.

The traditional license leaves more control to the user and hence gives them more say over what gets added to the application. If the developer adds feature C,G and B and lots of users are not interested in those features, then they may not upgrade and the company would not get paid. The subscription model means the user has to pay for new features regardless of whether the user finds that feature of value or not.

This, exactly this. Last significant DAW work I did was Cubase 5 in Snow Leopard. Years behind the curve of updating, per nearly all of it.

I've been moved to update some things since then, and the new system (2017 OS, 2010 machine) works quite well but that was a choice, influenced by vendors as little as possible.

Traditional License? Or Subscription Based Model?