I guess my age is showing, but music to me has melody, meter, etc. So much of the new stuff I hear today sounds like someone throwing scrap metal at cats.
But I try to keep an open mind, and I thought perhaps someone could share with me what they get out of these montages of gloops and glitches?
Dissonance my assonance
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- KVRist
- 278 posts since 14 Mar, 2004 from I'm standing right behind you
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
I try to combine the two in my music. I love the rythem and ambience of all the new sounds and styles. But like you, I also like meter, melody, bridges and choruses. I rarely sing now, and my other singers have all gone away, so I try to be as expressive as I can instrumentally now. The rythems and/or sounds of dissonant music just invoke images and emotions for me. Like a soundtrack to a movie not filmed yet, and I'm free to imagine what would go best with it all. Sure, it used to by only 'sci-fi' stuff - but say the music now of vurt, or Phz, or Whyterabbyt... I'm thinking Columbine, Iraq, homeless people, unionised workers, Osama Bin Laden, Enron - you name it.
The mood has to be right though - I certainly wouldn't go to a party and put on E.A.R. or vurt as 'bump and grind dance songs' or 'romantic ballads'. I got me my Lionel Ritchie cassettes for that kind of jam.
The mood has to be right though - I certainly wouldn't go to a party and put on E.A.R. or vurt as 'bump and grind dance songs' or 'romantic ballads'. I got me my Lionel Ritchie cassettes for that kind of jam.
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
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- KVRAF
- 1981 posts since 26 Oct, 2003 from Toronto
What kind of emoticon is that Rob? A shrug? 
I swear you're trying to send morse code with these '...'s' of yours.
I swear you're trying to send morse code with these '...'s' of yours.
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- KVRAF
- 2083 posts since 8 Apr, 2004
I think it more a case of creating a pleasing/intesting sound. And exploring different kinds of sound.
You listen to the sound of the ocean.. and think.. that's a nice sound..
Or the sounds of birds singing in the morning..
Or the excitement of a thunderstorm...
Or the sound of rain hitting the side of your tent when camping...
etc... etc...
These are sounds that people can enjoy yet isn't "Music" in the traditional sense. That's the similar kind idea behind some of these "montages of gloops and glitches". It's about producing pleasing sounds...
correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I think...
Ben
You listen to the sound of the ocean.. and think.. that's a nice sound..
Or the sounds of birds singing in the morning..
Or the excitement of a thunderstorm...
Or the sound of rain hitting the side of your tent when camping...
etc... etc...
These are sounds that people can enjoy yet isn't "Music" in the traditional sense. That's the similar kind idea behind some of these "montages of gloops and glitches". It's about producing pleasing sounds...
correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I think...
Ben
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- KVRAF
- 4749 posts since 15 Jul, 2001 from Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, U.K
just ignore what you dont like,
throwing metal at cats, pop idol. miles Davis.
one mans pleasure 'n' all that
throwing metal at cats, pop idol. miles Davis.
one mans pleasure 'n' all that
Doug Nelson wrote:I guess my age is showing, but music to me has melody, meter, etc. So much of the new stuff I hear today sounds like someone throwing scrap metal at cats.
But I try to keep an open mind, and I thought perhaps someone could share with me what they get out of these montages of gloops and glitches?
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- KVRian
- 966 posts since 28 Sep, 2002 from UK
Dissonance my assonance
That's a Super Furry Animals track isn't it ?
That's a Super Furry Animals track isn't it ?
If God did exist (and he doesn't) he would answer to the name of Maurizio
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- KVRAF
- 3506 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
I find your standard 12 tone music almost entirely uninteresting personally (with the odd exception, of course). Inflexible, fixed systems like that usually come across as more rigid/academic/soulless to me than anything considered such by its advocates. I believe that pure sound is the only universal.
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- KVRist
- 180 posts since 30 Jun, 2004
I for one am absolutely sick of hearing canned boring loops pasted together, with obnoxious simple minded pentatonic blather over top, and loads of crawly filters and gooey synth pads passing for "production" and "texture". And then those people who can't sing their way out of a paper bag, but insist on whining about things anyway. Or the ones braggin bout f*ckin dey biotches.
It seems like everything has become mechanized, soulless, formulaic, mindless and/or just plain insipid.
I came across an excellent web guide to modern "electronic music" genres. Seeing the 100s of "styles" since 1980 laid out in a tree format, with examples, made it very clear that each time someone comes up with something even a little different, it gets branded as a whole new subgenre. Ridiculous self-congratulatory posturing!
But what do I know I'm an old fart -- I grew up on Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Rush (pre-Signals)... And how ironic that the only one from that era that's still visible is Phil Collins. And I don't care for most of his stuff although I admit it's very high quality.
There's a sig about this around here somewhere....wait...OK here it is. "Music will be saved only after we've completely devalued recordings of music", compliments of Glurgle.
It seems like everything has become mechanized, soulless, formulaic, mindless and/or just plain insipid.
I came across an excellent web guide to modern "electronic music" genres. Seeing the 100s of "styles" since 1980 laid out in a tree format, with examples, made it very clear that each time someone comes up with something even a little different, it gets branded as a whole new subgenre. Ridiculous self-congratulatory posturing!
But what do I know I'm an old fart -- I grew up on Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Rush (pre-Signals)... And how ironic that the only one from that era that's still visible is Phil Collins. And I don't care for most of his stuff although I admit it's very high quality.
There's a sig about this around here somewhere....wait...OK here it is. "Music will be saved only after we've completely devalued recordings of music", compliments of Glurgle.
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- KVRAF
- 8389 posts since 18 Apr, 2004
IAWTP, muchly.Glooper wrote:These are sounds that people can enjoy yet isn't "Music" in the traditional sense. That's the similar kind idea behind some of these "montages of gloops and glitches". It's about producing pleasing sounds...
correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I think...
Sometimes a weird rhythm, or a screeching cat, is just music by itself.
Slightly offtopic maybe, but I don't think it has to do with age showingDoug Nelson wrote:I guess my age is showing, but music to me has melody, meter, etc. So much of the new stuff I hear today sounds like someone throwing scrap metal at cats.
I once saw a part of some John Cage performance from the 60s or 70s, ancient anyway... well I do know a thing or two about making music, but I could have sworn he was just randomly hitting a bunch of stuff. Yet he had someone turn pages of shee music for him, so every seemingly randomly object hitted at a seemingly random time had a very significant meaning.Which made me think even more "WTF has this to do with music?"
Long story short: there'll always be stuff you don't understand but people will call High Art anyway
@ bithaed: did you notice the "stupid" genre in the guide? even though I agree with him on that part, the guy's just making a whole bunch of stuff up...
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- KVRAF
- 8074 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
It's just artistic evolution. Grandpa probably didn't get rock and roll. His grandpa probably thought swing music was the tool of Satan. And so on.Doug Nelson wrote:I guess my age is showing, but music to me has melody, meter, etc. So much of the new stuff I hear today sounds like someone throwing scrap metal at cats.
But I try to keep an open mind, and I thought perhaps someone could share with me what they get out of these montages of gloops and glitches?
People have gotten used to music having melody, but melody is not really an integral part of music. Take any "primitive" culture and they've got rhythm and chanting and drones, but not necessarily melodic singing. Take some guy just sitting on his porch strumming a guitar, playing a chord progression. Aren't these things music?
That said, if there's no rhythm to it, or the rhythm is just too freaking dull and repetitive, it loses my interest.
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- KVRist
- 180 posts since 30 Jun, 2004
Yes! I saw "Stupid" and I thought "so that's where it's devolved to...". Ya know, those Mothersbaugh guys from Ohio (DEVO) really were ahead of their time, what incredible vision into the future!farlukar wrote:@ bithead: did you notice the "stupid" genre in the guide? even though I agree with him on that part, the guy's just making a whole bunch of stuff up...
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- KVRAF
- 6519 posts since 13 Mar, 2002 from UK
foosnark wrote:People have gotten used to music having melody, but melody is not really an integral part of music.
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- KVRist
- 180 posts since 30 Jun, 2004
Is this just ignorance, or is this what they teach in composition class nowadays? Oh, wait...nuffink wrote:foosnark wrote:People have gotten used to music having melody, but melody is not really an integral part of music.
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 14312 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
Hehe, this is going to go the way of the 'death of popstars' thread.
Personally I don't give a monkeys giro how something was made, if i like it I like it. I do tend to veer towards the pop end of things instinctively but every so often some off the wall stuff will strike a chord with me on a visceral rather than an 'oooh clever clever' intellectual level. And as ever, the 'far out man' fringe music always has elements of it incorporated into the mainstream in time anyway.
One mans 1942 Chateau Rothschild is another mans BOSS super as we say in Leeds.
Personally I don't give a monkeys giro how something was made, if i like it I like it. I do tend to veer towards the pop end of things instinctively but every so often some off the wall stuff will strike a chord with me on a visceral rather than an 'oooh clever clever' intellectual level. And as ever, the 'far out man' fringe music always has elements of it incorporated into the mainstream in time anyway.
One mans 1942 Chateau Rothschild is another mans BOSS super as we say in Leeds.