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whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon May 08, 2017 9:50 am

sfxsound3 wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
Trancit wrote:Sad but true:

M4L is the only option in Live to get some extra funcionality (and sometimes some standard features) alive...
What an strangely negative perspective; most other hosts dont have any means of getting any extra functionality.
In this day and age...

Wow, you spelled all the words correctly this time.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Mon May 08, 2017 10:43 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Trancit wrote:Sad but true:

M4L is the only option in Live to get some extra funcionality (and sometimes some standard features) alive...
What an strangely negative perspective; most other hosts dont have any means of getting any extra functionality.

But many others have even better...
The biggest disadvantage of M4L is, that Ableton seem to rely on 3rd party developers to fill the gaps instead of making native devices or add native workflow enhancements...

...for me, M4L sucks... it´s far to complicated for me to dive deeper, unstable on my side, and I hate the long loading time

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Mon May 08, 2017 10:53 am

3rd party developers to fill the gaps instead of making native devices

This is wrong. The main purpose of M4L is to develop tons of novelty effects or support 3rd-party hardware Ableton wouldn't ever touch themselves. Most of developers make stuff to support their own ideas and workflow.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Mon May 08, 2017 11:00 am

DJ Warmonger wrote:
3rd party developers to fill the gaps instead of making native devices
This is wrong. The main purpose of M4L is to develop tons of novelty effects or support 3rd-party hardware Ableton wouldn't ever touch themselves. Most of developers make stuff to support their own ideas and workflow.

I, personally, don´t feel so...

For me, it seems, that they lean back with many feature requests, guessing that one day somebody else will fulfill them with M4L... just my 2 cents...

We will see, if Live will get a native solution for editing multiple clips, or if they are thinking that isotonik´s multi clip editor is enough...

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Mon May 08, 2017 4:20 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:
3rd party developers to fill the gaps instead of making native devices
This is wrong. The main purpose of M4L is to develop tons of novelty effects or support 3rd-party hardware Ableton wouldn't ever touch themselves. Most of developers make stuff to support their own ideas and workflow.

It would be true if M4L could do better and smoother job than native device can, and also if there were native devices for basic functions that other host offers through native plugins.

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon May 08, 2017 4:30 pm

You should go for Suite. Not just for Max but for everything else.
Live Suite is bloody amazing.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon May 08, 2017 4:36 pm

tooneba wrote:
DJ Warmonger wrote:
3rd party developers to fill the gaps instead of making native devices
This is wrong. The main purpose of M4L is to develop tons of novelty effects or support 3rd-party hardware Ableton wouldn't ever touch themselves. Most of developers make stuff to support their own ideas and workflow.
It would be true if M4L could do better and smoother job than native device can, and also if there were native devices for basic functions that other host offers through native plugins.

Like most things, there is truth in both perspectives, however, the aforementioned LFO is something that should be a simple native utility and it isn't.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Mon May 08, 2017 5:16 pm

ghettosynth wrote:LFO is something that should be a simple native utility and it isn't.

Yet...

Ableton - Max or not?