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chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun May 07, 2017 12:26 am

masterhiggins wrote:Cubase is basically a subscription at this point. They seem to charge a hefty upgrade fee for every single .0000005 upgrade.

Absolutely not. You don't have to buy a new .5, or .0 version (you know, the ones with the new features, not the several bug fix releases inbetween). Saying you have to is like admitting that you are not responsible as a consumer.

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Sun May 07, 2017 12:49 am

chk071 wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:Cubase is basically a subscription at this point. They seem to charge a hefty upgrade fee for every single .0000005 upgrade.
Absolutely not. You don't have to buy a new .5, or .0 version (you know, the ones with the new features, not the several bug fix releases inbetween). Saying you have to is like admitting that you are not responsible as a consumer.

I think he must be mixing up Steinberg with some other company

Maybe Izotope is known for charging for bugfixes?

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Sun May 07, 2017 5:43 am

Good god, the semantics

Anyways, it's all good. Like or don't like, if you've done your research, you'll be closer to a pot of gold. One way or the other.

KarmaShaman · Post by **KarmaShaman** » Sun May 07, 2017 5:56 am

Voice303 wrote: Maybe Izotope is known for charging for bugfixes?

You may be on to something. Since Spire was released on the Reason platform, it's pretty clear that Propellerhead are charging customers for beta releases. Can't wait for a version 2.0 when they are fixed, and an additional charge.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon May 08, 2017 7:33 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Voice303 wrote:
masterhiggins wrote:Cubase is basically a subscription at this point. They seem to charge a hefty upgrade fee for every single .0000005 upgrade.
It's more like a annual and biannual "hybrid" subscription model really... Basically the only difference is its not month to month.
It is not a subscription cause if you don't upgrade you can still use the version you have

seems pretty clear by definition.

I don't recall what exactly happened between Cubase 5 and Cubase 9. I know that Cubase 5.5 was free, and that's the only possible thing they will have charged for in C5.
I know that 9.01 and 9.02 were free. So that post is just trolling with no thought or fact-checking at all.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon May 08, 2017 7:35 pm

incubus wrote:Good god, the semantics

Terms with actual knowable meanings, OMG!!
A real toughie for some, evidently.

festeringheap · Post by **festeringheap** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:53 pm

Not sure what the panic is by some. There are no 100% subscription models in DAWland. Everyone is scrambling for revenue. Every DAW maker is doing what they can to stay relevant, as major features become less and less. There is more or less parity among all the DAWs right now.

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of users will stop upgrading their favourite DAW if their DAW maker goes to a 100% subscription that they don't want to buy into.
They'll stop upgrading, or eventually morph into another DAW.
Industry leaders ProTools Adobe are doing subscription because they can, and a lot of business solutions in payroll, analytics, etc will go/are SAAS.

If you can't do any good creating/composing/mixing right now - with the software that's available now - without waiting for additional updates/upgrades from your favourite DAW maker - maybe you should find another hobby.

If I'm completely wrong, I'm sure a copy of Reaper will be available online somewhere for mac and/or windows and/or linux - arguably the leanest and most efficient piece of audio software out there.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:03 pm

traditional

dzilizzi · Post by **dzilizzi** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:50 pm

I'm not big into subscriptions. I own pretty much everything I have. But I do pay the annual $99 to Avid because I use it enough and it isn't worth paying full price again if I have to upgrade from my 12 perpetual license. I also kind of did Cakewalk because they didn't penalize me if I waited a year to update and they usually offered enough new stuff to make it worth it. Well in both cases I do own a license. So it isn't the same as a real subscription.

That said, I would pay for the use of EW composers cloud because I could not afford to buy all of their products and you can start and stop at any time. It is a great subscription model. And I agree you have to render anything you use because potentially they could stop making a product or version without warning and because you don't own it, you'd be SOL.

So, no to basic subscriptions but yes to high priced lines with no penalties for only buying a month when you need it. Maybe VSL will be next.

Synthman2000 · Post by **Synthman2000** » Mon May 15, 2017 4:26 pm

Traditional license ALL THE WAY. Not interested in subs at all.

mrj1nx · Post by **mrj1nx** » Tue May 16, 2017 4:16 pm

Does any company do cummulative subscriptions? Such as pay the montly until you have reached the full price, then you own and pay no more. That would be a great thing imo. Im now actively avoiding bundles such as komplete and similar because i just know there will be so much that i rarely use, i prefer keeping the plugin count low and focused.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Tue May 16, 2017 4:38 pm

Subscriptions are a form of slavery. I need to work every month to pay a fee to someone else

RichardNL70 · Post by **RichardNL70** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:01 pm

mrj1nx wrote:Does any company do cummulative subscriptions? Such as pay the montly until you have reached the full price, then you own and pay no more. That would be a great thing imo. Im now actively avoiding bundles such as komplete and similar because i just know there will be so much that i rarely use, i prefer keeping the plugin count low and focused.

You can "rent-to-own" Serum from Xfer via the Splice website. That's the only one I know and to be honest, I think that is not a bad payment model. You can even skip a few month (unsubscribe) and then later subscribe again, just continuing your payments.

See: https://splice.com/plugins/15493-serum- ... er-records

RichardNL70 · Post by **RichardNL70** » Tue May 16, 2017 5:08 pm

DJ Warmonger wrote:Subscriptions are a form of slavery. I need to work every month to pay a fee to
someone else

Isn't that pretty common? You probably have subscribed to a few services like TV, phone, internet. What about rent for a house? You don't pay to "own" it, you pay to "use" it. I think subscription models are not that bad. Sure, some pricing are pretty steep (for instance Adobe is good at that). On the other hand, these same companies would probably have you pay for upgrades anyway. I think if you do the calculation of let's say cost per month for owning/upgrading or renting then renting is not that bad.

BTW, ProTools allows you to choose if I'm not mistaken.

arzach95 · Post by **arzach95** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:03 pm

Cakewalk changed it's model recently and you can purchase a full license in monthly payments, at the end you own the software just as if you had paid for it just once

Traditional License? Or Subscription Based Model?