Dissonance my assonance

[Kriminal]

You need to get out more, and stop being an old fart like my dad watching TOTP's

'you cant hear a word they are saying'



nite....

[aMUSEd]

Why does music have to be reduced to "pleasing" sounds? Might as well just create something innocuous like muzak or one of the million different forms of "ambient" if that's the case. Music is an art form - specifically it is an art form that is often most able to articulate thoughts, concepts, insights, statements and feelings that are hard to put into words or express visually - communication through the medium of organised sound. Like all art forms music contains and encapsulates a dialectic - on the one hand it derives from our encounter with the vastness and mystery of the universe we inhabit - our attempts to communicate something of how the universe we live in affects us, changes us, defines us, challenges us. On the other hand it derives from our need to make something of our own, to add something to the universe, to change it, to make it our own, to redefine how it is experienced and how we experience ourselves, to create new ways of seeing, feeling and hearing. It would be a very boring world if pleasant and melodic music was all we were doomed to make for eternity. Music should also challenge us, make us think, make us feel, invite us to create, inspire us, help us see things and ourselves in new ways.

[farlukar]

Personally I don't give a monkeys giro how something was made, if i like it I like it.

Again: IAWTP, muchly. As should all those annying screaming people: methinks you shouldn't be too concerned about the exact definition of music, and just like it or not

[unknown user]

Music should also challenge us, make us think, make us feel, invite us to create, inspire us, help us see things and ourselves in new ways.

• *Challenges me to listen to it for more than 00:36
  *Makes me think of going for a walk outdoors
  *Makes me feel bored and nauseous
  *Invites me to turn it off
  *Inspires me to listen to something else
  *Helps me see things in the music world are pretty lame

[tetraplan]

People have gotten used to music having melody, but melody is not really an integral part of music.

Quoting just for the heck of it.

Groet, Erik

[aMUSEd]

Well yes - maybe. Sometimes people find it hard to read books like Ullyses so they read Agatha Christie instead. Or they find it hard to stand in front of a Mark Rothko painting so they sit and watch Big Brother instead. You have these choices - a world without those choices would be sterile - the ultimate "Big brother" (1984) state of existance in fact. A lot of the problem is people are not trained to hear in different ways - they get used to hearing certain types of sounds and turn off the rest or treat it as "noise". The Impressionists had the same problem when they started out, many people didn't know how to read the pantings they saw at first and treated them in much the same way as these days we treat more abstract painting - they also saw it as visual "noise" and it took a while for people to accept it and grow to understand where it was coming from. Of course these days "Impressionism" is seen as "realistic" (whatever that means) or even "chocolate box" art even though it is actually very challenging itself (especially if you see it in a historical context).

[nuffink]

People have gotten used to music having melody, but melody is not really an integral part of music.

Quoting just for the heck of it.

Groet, Erik

I thought it was a, shall we say... challenging, statement that deserved greater exposure.

[tetraplan]

People have gotten used to music having melody, but melody is not really an integral part of music.

Quoting just for the heck of it.

Groet, Erik

I thought it was a, shall we say... challenging, statement that deserved greater exposure.

That, too.

Groet, Erik

[tetraplan]

A lot of the problem is people are not trained to hear in different ways - they get used to hearing certain types of sounds and turn off the rest or treat it as "noise".

Unlearning this is very important.
The moment you succeed is eerily close to enlightenment (or so I imagine).

Groet, Erik

[willum]

I guess my age is showing, but music to me has melody, meter, etc. So much of the new stuff I hear today sounds like someone throwing scrap metal at cats.

But I try to keep an open mind, and I thought perhaps someone could share with me what they get out of these montages of gloops and glitches?

Personally it's all about what kind of mood I'm in. Sometimes I'm in the mood for melody, other times not. One day a record will sound like pure genius to me, but the next day the very same album will sound like shite. Gloops and glitches are lots of fun, and can even be matched up with melody quite successfully. There's room for everything in this huge universe of sound. Remember: we are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams.

[aMUSEd]

A lot of the problem is people are not trained to hear in different ways - they get used to hearing certain types of sounds and turn off the rest or treat it as "noise".

Unlearning this is very important.
The moment you succeed is eerily close to enlightenment (or so I imagine).

Groet, Erik

Precisely. I don't know if you are acquainted with Phenomenology - specifically the concept and process of "phenomenological reduction" but for me this helps to see with new eyes (of course such a journey is endless but at least it's a start).

[Doug Nelson]

Why does music have to be reduced to "pleasing" sounds?

Maybe that's my primary misunderstanding. I don't hit myself with hammers, sleep on barbed wire, etc. Why in the world would I put something unpleasant in my ears?

[unknown user]

Why in the world would I put something unpleasant in my ears?

Hear, hear!

[aMUSEd]

Why does music have to be reduced to "pleasing" sounds?

Maybe that's my primary misunderstanding. I don't hit myself with hammers, sleep on barbed wire, etc. Why in the world would I put something unpleasant in my ears?

Not the same thing at all. Look at it this way - do you like to watch just the good news reports on the news or do you want to see what's really happening - good and bad? Do you like to sit and watch soaps all day or do you also like to sit and watch a documentary every now and then, or sit through a horror film perhaps? Do you like to just eat burgers or fish and chips or do you like to try something new every once in a while? - even something you thought may have been unpleasant at one time (I used to hate currys for example - now I love good currys - some people like to eat insects, or shellfish, or all sorts of things one may consider disgusting). Do you just drive everywhere or would you occasionally like to climb mountains or run a marathon? The world is full of challenges and things that may be a little threatening, difficult or even painful but that in the long run help us to grow up and develop as well rounded individuals who can think outside of the box, not just live in one.

Music is about expanding horizons - do you want your horizons expanded or not? If not that's fine but accept that we don't all want to live without these choices.

[tetraplan]

Why does music have to be reduced to "pleasing" sounds?

Maybe that's my primary misunderstanding. I don't hit myself with hammers, sleep on barbed wire, etc. Why in the world would I put something unpleasant in my ears?

Eating candy all day is bad for your teeth.

Groet, Erik