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Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:24 am

I get off on a wide variety of sounds and styles, the only thing I cannot get on board with is soulless academic music. As has already been said, a lot of the mainstream music fits into this pigeon hole.

I think it was John Cage who said all sequenced sounds are music.

I go one further and say if I think a sound is music, then that makes it music. If you think a sound is not music, then that makes it noise. As an individual, I cherish the ability to decide for myself what music I like and do not like, and as an individual I appreciate you having your own ability to decide too.

As for noise, try one of mine:

Acolmiztli - Itch For The Cure

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:27 am

Doug Nelson wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:Why does music have to be reduced to "pleasing" sounds?
Maybe that's my primary misunderstanding. I don't hit myself with hammers, sleep on barbed wire, etc. Why in the world would I put something unpleasant in my ears?

The real point though... some people DO hit themselves with hammers... some people DO sleep on barbed wire (ouch!) ... but simply by bringing this subject up, you're acting out a form of intolerance.

Live and let live.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:42 am

music is music
enjoy or dont enjoy
its like amused said its about expanding your horizons,letting music make you think.

just be yourself and do not worry if you dont like something,chances are there are many things in life you will not like,same here,but we just gotta get on with the things we do like i suppose

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:49 am

Serenity can be aquired in the foulest of mosh pits.

Doug Nelson · Post by **Doug Nelson** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:53 am

Amberience wrote: The real point though... some people DO hit themselves with hammers... some people DO sleep on barbed wire (ouch!) ... but simply by bringing this subject up, you're acting out a form of intolerance.

And here I tried so hard to come up with ludicrous examples

Reread my post at the beginning of this thread, I am trying to understand this. Is that so intolerable?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:56 am

Doug Nelson wrote: And here I tried so hard to come up with ludicrous examples

i think these days its hard to come up with anything that some group somewhere or other doesnt do for kicks

what a crazy world we live in

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:10 am

Doug Nelson wrote:
Reread my post at the beginning of this thread, I am trying to understand this. Is that so intolerable?

I read it.

A funny-not so funny story:

My Grandfather was Chief of Greater Miami Police way back when. My mother was a teen, listening to things that made my grandfather's stomach turn, like The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, etc..real tame, predictable stuff to you & I.

Well..There was a famous Doors concert in Miami's Orange Bowl you might remember..My grandfather was there for the ensuing riot & ran into my mother. He showed his appreciation for her attendance by cracking her head open with his Shalelley (I have no idea how to spell that thing, it was a 3 pound Irish club).

Anyways, you should have seen her reaction the fisrt time she heard me playing Motley Crue..

heh..it's always the same story man..the roles don't change, just the ppl playing them.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:18 am

Sorry Doug, just voicing my opinion. Didn't mean to get under your skin or anything like that.

If I can answer your question directly.. what do we get out of it?? Self expression.

gnu23 · Post by **gnu23** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:11 am

There's a lot of modern music I don't entirely grok, but hey I grew up in the 60's ... and my parents didn't grok the Zeppelin at all.

Not to mention the time I played "Thick As A Brick" for my Mom because she really wanted to hear it ... ~40 minutes later she left the room and never said a thing about the music I listened to again.

I can say I dug my Dad's love of Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, and Little Richard - but I failed to get George Jones, Tammy Wynette, et al. But then again, my grandfather on Mom's side used to bring a to-die-for blonde semi-hollow Gibson ES series over to play and sing blues and country and he was very very good at it - and I really liked it.

The point of the rambling is ... um ... ok, I got it now. Music is like painting and musicians paint with sound. There's no one way to do it and not everyone is going to like you are trying to do. And that's just fine. It's always been that way and always will be.

But hey, whadda I know? I used to totally agree with Jimi's line in "Third Stone From The Sun", when he said, "I hope I never hear surf music again". Now I think the Beach Boys are a damned good band overall and Brian Wilson is a genius.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:20 am

gnu23 wrote:Now I think the Beach Boys are a damned good band overall and Brian Wilson is a genius.

I'm not at that point yet

I'm only 20!!

... wtf does grok mean??

kaden · Post by **kaden** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:21 am

I was a working professional musician for 25 years. Percussion, Bass, Keys...yer basic jobbing utility infielder kinda guy for the most part, with regular forays into 'Let's Form A Band, Write Some Choons And TOOOR, Man' land.
I winged my way through 1-4-5 progressions in every conceivable genre of music, and by necessity could sight-read flyshit: having had lotsa time on my hands, instrumental/musical proficiency was a pretty big deal for me. Well written, instrumentally challenging 'songs', if you take my meaning...to compensate for the times I had to spend subbing for the bassist in C&W bands, I suppose. Melodys, proper arrangements, orchestrations even. Like, 'real music', daddy-o.

Throughout that *entire* time, and on 'til this very moment I have been composing and producing *utterly* inaccessible dark ambient/noise/musique concrete material. Digital audio wasn't a miraculous thing to me: it was more like "finally, I can put away the splicing block, unscrew the idler capstans from the length of the upstairs hallway and scrape guitar pickup off the TV screen and the contact mic off the side of the cat (I'm not joking).

Far and away the most challenging and evocative form of musical expression I have ever undertaken. When you get it right, even for just a few seconds, the entire pursuit suddenly makes sense.

My 1.29 cents Cdn.

K

Buddah Buddy · Post by **Buddah Buddy** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:24 am

As rubbish as people think he is, Merzbow has produced some of the most relaxing, yet very abrasive music, I've heard. I get weird looks, but Merzbow in the car at a moderate level is like sitting by the ocean... to me of course

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:25 am

Whats with all the cat molestation?? You guys are sick!

I once did thing thing where I put my crusty old microphone in the end of my hoover pipe, and scratched the outside edge of the pipe with a plecktrum. Because the pipe was all corrogated (not sure what else to call it) it made some really funky sounds.

It sounded a bit like a synthesised motorbike. Anyway, its good to just f**k around and see what you can come up with.

Doug Nelson · Post by **Doug Nelson** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:13 am

As puzzling as I find listening to some of this stuff, there's no mystery at all to me about composing it. I had fun composing my stupid little cat joke mp3. I create stuff literally every day simply because it feels good.

However, I'd never let anyone else hear 99% of it, or even call it music. Let alone expect it to go platinum.

But I do not doubt things like that happen. I don't even question it. I think it's wonderful, even. I just don't understand it, I'm guessing that I'm missing some sort of context. That's what I'm hoping to find here.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:17 am

Hmmmmm.. context is a little difficult. I mean, I'm starting university in September on a Sonic Arts course - which is basically all this experimental wankerage that you don't get - the reason I'm doing the course is because I enjoy what I make... I enjoy expressing myself in artistic ways.

Maybe thats the best context I can muster.

Dissonance my assonance