Kontakt 6 - any rumors about release?

[Foxedge]

How do samples become dated? They either sound good or not. No?

Because engineering improves? 480p videos one day also were state of the art, that doesn't mean it still good today.

but still paled in comparison to the third-party content out there, which is what most Kontakt users were already invested in.

That doesn't change the fact that it was way more modern and usable than today when it was released. Everything someday needs an update, otherwise with this argument no company ever needs to update or bring out new libraries. I don't see the point in defending that here, it leads to nowhere and is pointless.

And nobody invests in Kontakt libraries that require the license before owning Kontakt and actually having a license because no one can use the libraries then. So Kontakt 5 is always a starting point.

[Zombie Queen]

Because engineering improves? 480p videos one day also were state of the art, that doesn't mean it still good today.

But 44.1 is already holding the edge of (young) human perception. What improvement you have in mind? Only thing I can think of, is capacity improvement, like have more round robins and more layers, but frankly, I wouldn't really like the factory content to grow extra 100GB just for sake of this.

[Foxedge]

But 44.1 is already holding the edge of (young) human perception. What improvement you have in mind? Only thing I can think of, is capacity improvement, like have more round robins and more layers, but frankly, I wouldn't really like the factory content to grow extra 100GB just for sake of this.

I can't help if you don't hear a difference between the old kontakt factory strings and for instance Spitfire Symphonic Strings, but there is a HUGE gap between where you can raise the factory content to somewhere in. The orchestral factory content atm is on the level of the oldest cheapest libraries you can find out there (such as sonivox).

[ShawnG]

in this area though, engineering hasn't improved? the factory sound bank is sampled at 44.1khz yes, but it would have been perfectly technologically possible to have sampled them at 96 or higher at the time they were made as well as now. we live in a world where 99 percent of recorded music is listened to at 44.1 or 48, so unless it's a high end sample library worth hundreds by itself, where the producer can revel in the luxuriousness of his/her high fidelity samples right up until the point that they get dithered down to 44.1khz anyway to move the track onto the publix, not sure I see the point.

If you want the samples to be better, then that's a valid point certainly, although there are tons of quality stuff in the current bank, along with the crap. No matter what they will do, though it will all suffer from having been in the factory sound bank in the first place, as producer hipster syndrome sets in and all and sundry refuse to use anything from the factory banks in any of their tracks.

[jancivil]

frankly, I wouldn't really like the factory content to grow extra 100GB just for sake of this.

[...] Spitfire ...
The orchestral factory content atm is on the level of the oldest cheapest libraries you can find out there (such as sonivox).

In terms of articulations, it might be, but the old VSL samples are probably not 'on the level' with 'the oldest cheapest'. Certain of it holds up today, in terms of sound. Compare KFL with a $789 library, why would Kontakt not now cost much more money exactly?

The old VSL samples, I believe that hasn't changed since Kontakt 2. Were these in Kontakt 1? I don't remember.
I've updated it since, I never did for the library. And I actually use some of it today, alongside very high-end stuff.

[jancivil]

nobody invests in Kontakt libraries that require the license before owning Kontakt and actually having a license because no one can use the libraries then. So Kontakt 5 is always a starting point.

The Spitfire Library you cite includes the free Kontakt Player, in fact. If that's it, you don't need to buy Kontakt at all.

[jancivil]

also, as someone who does mac support for a living, I think you're painting yourself in to a corner sticking to 10.8 - ...

The difference in our viewpoints is that you make your living dealing with computer problems. I do not make my living dealing with computers or music. Music composition for me is a serious hobby; a computer to me is just a tool. I like my paints and brushes static, thank you. How many great pianists would there be if they kept obsoleting 5 year old Steinways?

I am not asking companies like NI to support old hardware with new software, just to support what worked if someone like me is satisfied with a certain level of functionality and wants to get off of the computer merry-go-round; i.e. stopping the waste of time and money needlessly upgrading software and hardware. (Not to mention the environmental impact of trashing working hardware.)

I do not need the latest "shiny objects".

I feel the need to make one thing clear: I am not putting anyone down who decides to keep up with the latest computers and software. That is their choice; I just resent being forced to do it.

I stayed with a 2011 OS, a 2011 DAW and Kontakt 4 until 2015. I moved to Kontakt 5 only because of new libraries. Now, a 2011 computer is not going to last til the end of time. But you are free to buy another one same vintage and stay with the older software. There are people using far older things to produce.

[spinettim]

Still no news on release date?

[Kalamata Kid]

Still no news on release date?

My guess Kontakt will be released with Komplete 12 this year.
Why?
Because they can and will make a ton of money
with Kontakt 6 and Absynth 6 and Massive 2.
The trifecta of the Music Creation World!

Glorious days are ahead
Oh yea!
Oh yea!

The bad news is that my guesses are usually wrong!
However
Native Instrument must have an anniversary celebration
and wants us to celebrate with them!!!
The trifecta will do it at least for me.
Here take my money.

[EvilDragon]

Komplete 12 probably won't be happening this year, but spring next year, as it's on an 18 month cycle.

[dune_rave]

I'm interested in rumours bout Kontakt and FM8. However, I will leave fm8 in the near future.

[whyterabbyt]

[uote="whyterabbyt"]That doesn't change the fact that it was way more modern and usable than today when it was released.[/quote]

That's not a fact, its a subjective opinion.

Everything someday needs an update, otherwise with this argument no company ever needs to update or bring out new libraries. I don't see the point in defending that here, it leads to nowhere and is pointless.

Just as well noone was making that point, then. But as I pointed out earlier, if you want higher-end NI-made content for Kontakt, get Komplete.

And nobody invests in Kontakt libraries that require the license before owning Kontakt and actually having a license because no one can use the libraries then. So Kontakt 5 is always a starting point.

Kontakt Player would indicate otherwise.

[mumpcake]

It would also be cool if they could figure out a way to get it to replace my older versions of Kontakt in all of my unfinished projects.

[spinettim]

It would also be cool if they could figure out a way to get it to replace my older versions of Kontakt in all of my unfinished projects.

This is my new number one request to Native Instruments. TOTAL backward compatibility should be priority for every plugin maker IMO! Stop calling it Kontakt 4, Kontakt 5... Just call it Kontakt so all my new and old projects call just one plugin. Stop the confusion.
Spectrasonics did it with Omnisphere and I can never thank them enough for that!

[EvilDragon]

That already works for AU plugins.

However, NI allows installing large version numbers side by side, which means for VST/AAX, plugins need a unique name and ID. That's how it is, and I don't see this changing in the future.