Well, first you said that Repro-1 couldn't match "dry and unprocessed" samples of a Pro-One. Now that that is out of the way, we are supposed to believe that Yazoo had no post processing on their tracks?
Can we please start with the first issue? Can you please spot the two unprocessed samples from the hardware in this audio file?
https://uhesongs-heckmannaudiogmb.netdn ... ick_01.wav
Once you found them accurately, we can move on to analysing why random videos on Youtube sound like they do, and how this relates to Repro-1 (not) sounding like hardware.
Repro-1 (out now)
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- u-he
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It matters because the guy claims that these samples (the actual samples used in this short example) sound so much better than Repro-1, it's like night and day. Is it?AnX wrote:Does it matter? I use samples of kicks that i like/suit the track. Doesnt matter to me what they are from...
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adamgrossmanLG adamgrossmanLG https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=398192
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Urs wrote:Well, first you said that Repro-1 couldn't match "dry and unprocessed" samples of a Pro-One. Now that that is out of the way, we are supposed to believe that Yazoo had no post processing on their tracks?
Can we please start with the first issue? Can you please spot the two unprocessed samples from the hardware in this audio file?
https://uhesongs-heckmannaudiogmb.netdn ... ick_01.wav
Once you found them accurately, we can move on to analysing why random videos on Youtube sound like they do, and how this relates to Repro-1 (not) sounding like hardware.
I told you before, they sound the same, I cant tell. I replied back (see the post with the 2 yazoo videos about 10 minutes ago).
I can't prove that there was no post-processing - HOWEVER, out of the hundreds of presets that come with the Repro-1, why is it that pretty much only the KICK DRUMS sound flat?
If your theory is correct, wouldn't the entire library feel as if it "needs some post processing"?
I think you missed several points I made earlier.
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I'm not sure why this is so difficult.adamgrossmanLG wrote:Urs wrote:Well, first you said that Repro-1 couldn't match "dry and unprocessed" samples of a Pro-One. Now that that is out of the way, we are supposed to believe that Yazoo had no post processing on their tracks?
Can we please start with the first issue? Can you please spot the two unprocessed samples from the hardware in this audio file?
https://uhesongs-heckmannaudiogmb.netdn ... ick_01.wav
Once you found them accurately, we can move on to analysing why random videos on Youtube sound like they do, and how this relates to Repro-1 (not) sounding like hardware.
I told you before, they sound the same, I cant tell. I replied back (see the post with the 2 yazoo videos about 10 minutes ago).
I can't prove that there was no post-processing - HOWEVER, out of the hundreds of presets that come with the Repro-1, why is it that pretty much only the KICK DRUMS sound flat?
If your theory is correct, wouldn't the entire library feel as if it "needs some post processing"?
I think you missed several points I made earlier.
1) If the kicks in Repro-1 sound like they need additional processing, then...
2) How do you know that the hardware kicks you're hearing also didn't need additional processing and, if played out of the box without it, wouldn't sound exactly like Repro-1?
In other words, can you PROVE that the kicks you're hearing from the Pro 1 weren't processed further?
Until you can, this whole discussion is pointless.
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Ok, perfect!adamgrossmanLG wrote:I told you before, they sound the same, I cant tell.
So, then I guess we can agree on this: If you can't make Repro-1 sound like that, you probably can't make a Pro-One sound like it.
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Fixed that for you.Urs wrote:Ok, perfect!adamgrossmanLG wrote:I told you before, they sound the same, I cant tell.
So, then I guess we can agree on this: If you can't make Repro-1 sound like that, you probably can't make a Pro-One sound like it.
My issue, is different
I much rather Urs using his time, developing, than responding to this and other very flawed assertions.
thank you very much
have a great day.
rsp
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adamgrossmanLG adamgrossmanLG https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=398192
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I think the defensive nature to all the replies I am getting here is unwarranted.
Again I can't prove anything without you Pro one in front of me which I don't have.
To answer your question, if it needs processing why not just do it? Well you can't turn a turn into gold, can you?
But if we go with logic here for a moment, if every other preset sounds dead on the money, you would think the kick drum preset also would.
I think everybody here is jumping to conclusions that I am saying it is a flaw in the product. I AM NOT SAYING THAT.
But why do the kick drum samples provided in the presets sound really weak.
Question for you could you produce the Vince Clarke Kick Drum samples I provided earlier? If not, then you can't prove anything either.
Again I can't prove anything without you Pro one in front of me which I don't have.
To answer your question, if it needs processing why not just do it? Well you can't turn a turn into gold, can you?
But if we go with logic here for a moment, if every other preset sounds dead on the money, you would think the kick drum preset also would.
I think everybody here is jumping to conclusions that I am saying it is a flaw in the product. I AM NOT SAYING THAT.
But why do the kick drum samples provided in the presets sound really weak.
Question for you could you produce the Vince Clarke Kick Drum samples I provided earlier? If not, then you can't prove anything either.
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You're still under the assumption that, equipped with a hardware Pro-One, one can dial in those patch sheets and expect this to sound like that recording.adamgrossmanLG wrote:Question for you could you produce the Vince Clarke Kick Drum samples I provided earlier? If not, then you can't prove anything either.
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adamgrossmanLG wrote:I think the defensive nature to all the replies I am getting here is unwarranted.
Again I can't prove anything without you Pro one in front of me which I don't have.
To answer your question, if it needs processing why not just do it? Well you can't turn a turn into gold, can you?
But if we go with logic here for a moment, if every other preset sounds dead on the money, you would think the kick drum preset also would.
I think everybody here is jumping to conclusions that I am saying it is a flaw in the product. I AM NOT SAYING THAT.
But why do the kick drum samples provided in the presets sound really weak.
Question for you could you produce the Vince Clarke Kick Drum samples I provided earlier? If not, then you can't prove anything either.
Are you really trying to compare the kick on repro-1 with a probably recorded on tape, eq'ed, compressed etc, mixed and mastered kick on a Yaz album?
And saying they don't sound the same?
Is that really the crux of your argument?
rsp
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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Who knows what they really used on those records...
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Maybe the reason why the Repro-1 kicks sound weak compared to the Pro One kicks is because the Pro One kicks were put through a crap ton of shit that nobody on this planet could even begin to venture a guess as to what.
You are comparing apples to oranges and you can't do that. On the one hand you have Repro-1 stock out of the box with nothing on it. On the other hand, you have the Pro One with God knows what on it, let alone how the damn thing was recorded.
Only a fool would try to make a comparison between the two and expect that comparison to have any validity at all.
You are comparing apples to oranges and you can't do that. On the one hand you have Repro-1 stock out of the box with nothing on it. On the other hand, you have the Pro One with God knows what on it, let alone how the damn thing was recorded.
Only a fool would try to make a comparison between the two and expect that comparison to have any validity at all.
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 24 Apr, 2004 from Patagonia
The sound chain for that kickdrum would be (and probably is) something like: Pro-one --> compressor --> EQ --> compressor --> Fairlight AD (sampling) --> Fairlight DA --> desk channel --> Tape deck --> Mixing deck channel. And once mixed aditional processing is done...
You are really wondering why is not sounding the same as the raw output from the pro-one (or repro-1 BTW)??
You are really wondering why is not sounding the same as the raw output from the pro-one (or repro-1 BTW)??
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Which is why I can't get my songs to sound like they were recorded in million dollar studios.klinik wrote:The sound chain for that kickdrum would be (and probably is) something like: Pro-one --> compressor --> EQ --> compressor --> Fairlight AD (sampling) --> Fairlight DA --> desk channel --> Tape deck --> Mixing deck channel. And once mixed aditional processing is done...
You are really wondering why is not sounding the same as the raw output from the pro-one (or repro-1 BTW)??
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- 26932 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
The replies are exactly warranted... they are pointing out that you have drawn inaccurate conclusions for a number of reasons, and having been repeatedly shown that, you are being rather stubborn to admit it and go on arguing about something you do not have first hand experience with. You don't even have a Pro-One!adamgrossmanLG wrote:I think the defensive nature to all the replies I am getting here is unwarranted.
Again I can't prove anything without you Pro one in front of me which I don't have.
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I didnt listen, i dont intent to. Unless i have the actual well maintained and serviced hardware myself ( or my own reference recordings of said hardware) i dont comment on the accuracy of software.Urs wrote:It matters because the guy claims that these samples (the actual samples used in this short example) sound so much better than Repro-1, it's like night and day. Is it?AnX wrote:Does it matter? I use samples of kicks that i like/suit the track. Doesnt matter to me what they are from...