pHz wrote:thanks for taking the time to write this george ...You™ wrote:To me, creating music is not about how well you play yesterday's traditional instruments or how many chords you know or even whether you can tune a guitar. As more people move toward computer-based performing and recording, the traditional ways of inputing and articulating sound (ahem, data) are inadequate for some artists. Besides strings, mouthpieces, keys, pedals and sticks, we need sliders, knobs, pads, ribbons and other sensors. Like old school electronic music some can't even be made in real-time.
I don't have a problem with electronic or loop or sample-based composition. It's about another way of interpreting what music can be. Frankly I think divorcing oneself of the charge of having to create the source recordings can be liberating in terms of keeping an open mind to the way sounds can be manipulated and and rearranged. I once suggested that the maybe most interesting "DJs" weren't always the most awesome musicians. That's arguable and who knows what DJ means anymore but I think you get my drift.
Music isn't solely the purview of western cultivated, conservatory trained aesthetes. It isn't even the domain of musicians. It's belongs to everyone and it should be made by everyone. In the end, it only matters if it sounds good. Your song sounds good so there!
... it articulates so much of what i think about music too only does it less glibly ...
... at an earlier point in this thread i had a long post typed out about some of these issues but didnt hit submit because it might have come across as whinging and accusatory when it REALLy wasnt - you writing this gives me the chance to throw my main observation into the mix again ...
... while we 2 (AND many others it has to be said) are happy to see loops / found sounds as valid tools / instruments there are always a few 'but its only loops' comments thrown around (hell even i did it myself in relation to this contest track) ...
... however (and heres the actually-not-finger-pointing-though-it-might-sound-like-it bit) there are many here who use stuff like virtual guitarist / slicy drummer / etc and get compliments every time on their riffs / rhythms ... again i have no issues with these tools (i have and occasionally use slicy drummer myself) but the generally positive (or just unnoticed ??? ) perception of their use i find interesting ...
... i hope my genuine curiosity is what comes across here
thanks for the in-depth review BTW ... and ... accessible ??? bloody hell !?!
slainterob
im kind of of the opinion use what ever.my only problem with any usage of loops would be if someone was just grabbing a handful of premade loops and nothing else.even then tho there is the art of composition at play so i guess theres always some merit in someone elses art.
most tend to use loops the way i do myself and process/chop em to unrecognisable quantities anyway and as for slicy drummer et al theyre tools,use em as such.
people shouldnt be so hung up on how a tune is made or what was used,if its a good tune its a good tune
) ...perfect segue to Haghi's Crossings Borders - too good a track to listen only twice. Backwards portamento in time to Ceyecal - Is that Tera2 or what?...JDG never in my life have imagined these emotions could be tracked ..... OOOH strings from Jebudas - too much time spent messing with GPO these last 12 hours = way on the rever unto sonic heaven from Jeff Dickens- awesome 
... Whoa too hard peppy 127 give me fever what the hell are those guitar and bass from?..yeah excellent peppyster. Now everyon edo the Phleep cause it is very wise to tal k like an alien and bounce like so uh uh 1..2 and...what?..3 freaky PHZ is a teacher don't let this get loose Rhythm is sugar - don't we know it.... Chloe is the most popular name in these environs almost named my daughter (Hannah) Chloe cause it's a beauty of a name and this song is so perfect (No 1 or 2 so far along with Sepheritoh superb Way to Freedom magnum opus)- I could dig Elvis Costello doing this song. I can't write any more but I am fain to say congrats to everyone ... Hopefully I can sort out some votes by Sunday 'cause this month's rotation is magic.
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Holy crap man, what were you thinking? 
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Thanks. I did manage keep up with the thread...