Oh! I found it.
...and now you have my vote.
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Soft studio's why and which? P5, R, and FL
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- KVRist
- 162 posts since 20 Aug, 2003 from Chicago
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Reason is one of the best music programmes ever, and thoroughly deserves its incredible success. Propellerheads are one of the most innovative developers out there, with ReCycle and ReBirth out there too..
I understand why some people on this forum don't like the closed architecture, but ReWire seems to me to be developing into a new plug-in format in its own right, as hardly any programmes act as a slave/client.
Reason is a no-brainer add on to any sequencer imho
I understand why some people on this forum don't like the closed architecture, but ReWire seems to me to be developing into a new plug-in format in its own right, as hardly any programmes act as a slave/client.
Reason is a no-brainer add on to any sequencer imho
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- KVRian
- 743 posts since 14 Apr, 2004
I've tried a lot of sequencer and virtual studios...
i think + or - all...
my definitive choice is FLStudio4:
Easy
Fast
Stable
Open
Bundled Synths&Effects
But i think that the coolest soft...
..is the soft that satisfy the needs of a user!
For my use,electronic music based on soft synths and soft effects without any kind of audio recording (rare), FLStudio satisfy my needs!!!
i think + or - all...
my definitive choice is FLStudio4:
Easy
Fast
Stable
Open
Bundled Synths&Effects
But i think that the coolest soft...
..is the soft that satisfy the needs of a user!
For my use,electronic music based on soft synths and soft effects without any kind of audio recording (rare), FLStudio satisfy my needs!!!
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- KVRist
- 391 posts since 28 Apr, 2002
What I think of Reason, Orion, FL, and Project 5.
Reason, very interesting, but very limited in terms of getting a lot done under a single roof. Rock solid, unquestionable stability.
FL Studio. Pound for pound, the most featureful of any of the soft studios. Extremely high quality build if such a thing can be applied to software, it does what it's supposed to do without glitches or other unpredictable behavior. On the negative side, it's just weird. The features are there in abundance, but found in strange places and strangely implemented in some instances. The lack of loop recording is passing strange and is probably the single biggest Reason I keep Orion around at this point.
Orion Platinum. This application is one that I instantly took to. I mean, I tried the demo and found that it was incredibly easy to use and bought it within minutes. Things make sense in Orion. Orion's biggest drawback is and remains bugs and instability. I've personally found more bugs in Orion than in all other software I've used combined. I've found exactly 1 bug in FL Studio for a quick comparison and I've used both for over 4 years. I've never found a bug in Reason although I read about one once.
P5. Hmmm. My first attempt at the demo had me scratching my head. I couldn't figure out why I should buy it. It didn't seem to do anything special, nothing up it's sleeve. Lots of scrolling and I've never warmed up to any sequencer which attempts to place everything into a single main window...whether they fit or not. I know this is just opinion, but I just couldn't find anything to like about P5.
Reason, very interesting, but very limited in terms of getting a lot done under a single roof. Rock solid, unquestionable stability.
FL Studio. Pound for pound, the most featureful of any of the soft studios. Extremely high quality build if such a thing can be applied to software, it does what it's supposed to do without glitches or other unpredictable behavior. On the negative side, it's just weird. The features are there in abundance, but found in strange places and strangely implemented in some instances. The lack of loop recording is passing strange and is probably the single biggest Reason I keep Orion around at this point.
Orion Platinum. This application is one that I instantly took to. I mean, I tried the demo and found that it was incredibly easy to use and bought it within minutes. Things make sense in Orion. Orion's biggest drawback is and remains bugs and instability. I've personally found more bugs in Orion than in all other software I've used combined. I've found exactly 1 bug in FL Studio for a quick comparison and I've used both for over 4 years. I've never found a bug in Reason although I read about one once.
P5. Hmmm. My first attempt at the demo had me scratching my head. I couldn't figure out why I should buy it. It didn't seem to do anything special, nothing up it's sleeve. Lots of scrolling and I've never warmed up to any sequencer which attempts to place everything into a single main window...whether they fit or not. I know this is just opinion, but I just couldn't find anything to like about P5.
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- KVRist
- 204 posts since 31 May, 2003 from Germany
my main reasons to use Orion Platinum :stale bread wrote:would love to get more feedback about orion, some folks here were using fruity and then switched to orion, I use live mostly but think fruity is great and find that hard to believe. would any of you core orion users get a little more in depth about the 'why' you use orion, whats better about it ? what do you like
1. easiness of use
2. sound quality
3. ULTRAN
4. Screamer
5. Wasp XT
6. the flexible Sampler with the Grovveslicer
and more but i stop here
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 27 Sep, 2003 from Reston, VA.
I use both Reason and FL Studio.
FL Studio +s
Ability to record audio
Expandable - there are some great free VSTi
Reason:
Find the interface easier to use
Quicker to setup sounds I want to use
Some great effects - Scream distortion, RV7000 reverb
I know find myself rewiring Reason into FL Studio to get the best of both.
FL Studio +s
Ability to record audio
Expandable - there are some great free VSTi
Reason:
Find the interface easier to use
Quicker to setup sounds I want to use
Some great effects - Scream distortion, RV7000 reverb
I know find myself rewiring Reason into FL Studio to get the best of both.
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- KVRian
- 690 posts since 31 May, 2002 from chez moi
I chose P5. I'm not sure what the deal was with v1.0, but I never get crashes with Project5. I really like it's user interface and it's very quick with composing. The main problem with it for me is a lack of bounce/freeze function (I don't record audio).
I've demo'd FLS and I didn't like its interface. Sure seems like a bargain though. I found it clunky though, maybe that would change with more use.
I've demo'd Orion and thought it was pretty cool. My only complaint is that it seemed kind of buggy. I had issues with noises when moving/opening windows, and it crashed on me a few times. Again, if I spent more time with it I'm sure I could learn to use it without crashing (the zipper noises related to graphics may be more of a problem though).
I've also demo'd Reason. That is one very cool program. I've followed Reason starting from before it was released. It truly is a great piece of software. Very flexible in sounds, extremely stable. Of course it has it's issues too (efficiency of gui, closed system, etc). If it was cheaper, I would recommend this software to people new to computer music making.
In terms of growing with software studios, with appropriate computer power the addition of Ableton Live to either Project5 or Reason is a great extension of these two studios and could provide people with everything they need.
I've demo'd FLS and I didn't like its interface. Sure seems like a bargain though. I found it clunky though, maybe that would change with more use.
I've demo'd Orion and thought it was pretty cool. My only complaint is that it seemed kind of buggy. I had issues with noises when moving/opening windows, and it crashed on me a few times. Again, if I spent more time with it I'm sure I could learn to use it without crashing (the zipper noises related to graphics may be more of a problem though).
I've also demo'd Reason. That is one very cool program. I've followed Reason starting from before it was released. It truly is a great piece of software. Very flexible in sounds, extremely stable. Of course it has it's issues too (efficiency of gui, closed system, etc). If it was cheaper, I would recommend this software to people new to computer music making.
In terms of growing with software studios, with appropriate computer power the addition of Ableton Live to either Project5 or Reason is a great extension of these two studios and could provide people with everything they need.
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- KVRian
- 693 posts since 21 Oct, 2003 from Madrid
All 5 integrate with each other superbly, Sonar has a VST wrapper that works just fine, and overall cost of the 3 is very reasonable given the amount of immediately productive tools you have.
Do you know that for the money you spent on these 3 you could have FL XXL with life time updates, be able to do all that in one single app and still have money left to buy som other vsts?
I have tried them all and to me (this is a personal opinion) FL wins by far.
GERM
Do you know that for the money you spent on these 3 you could have FL XXL with life time updates, be able to do all that in one single app and still have money left to buy som other vsts?
I have tried them all and to me (this is a personal opinion) FL wins by far.
GERM
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- KVRAF
- 2401 posts since 29 Dec, 2002 from In the dark
I voted P5 not because I think it is the best, but because that IS the only option for me. It is the only one I own and I use it just because I own it.
IMHO, FL is better than P5, but because I have Sonar and use that as the main workstation with P5 as an add-on, I have no reason to go out and spend money on FL.
IMHO, FL is better than P5, but because I have Sonar and use that as the main workstation with P5 as an add-on, I have no reason to go out and spend money on FL.
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- KVRAF
- 2217 posts since 15 Jul, 2003
i use P-5. I just find the interface and the workflow to make sense to me. It's all about midi pattern and track editing.
my sense is the majority of computer musicians break down into two camps: audio focused or acid loop focused, and both of those camps have some use for sequencing, but it's not the primary focus. P-5's focus is relatively narrow on midi editing and works within a particular pattern based model for that. It gives the app a lot of power for speed of composition and putting down ideas. Folk either pick up on that or wonder what the hell it's for.
I don't think too much of the included instruments, so it's no Reason in that regard.
I own and use FLStudio for a drum machine. It's great as a drum machine. For me, the interface really works for that. For midi recording and piano roll and track editing is quirky and awkward. But obviously a lot of people like own it and use it. And part of that is price point and the possibility of audio work.
I recently bought Sonar 3, as much for the Sonitus Suite as any thing else. As I've been working through the manuals, I find almost every shortcoming in P-5 is already working and stretched in Sonar. And I have to admit I got tired of some of the limits of P-5. But my last two projects I've tried to switch over and the things I do a lot are just so much slower in any other host I've tried, I can't even get very far on Rewiring P-5 into Sonar.
I think Cake is in a bind with P-5. They can't undercut their flagship product by including features and they don't have any 'special' instruments of their own they can offer as incentives.
I think Image Line was very smart in making their drums (and their two bass synths) sound so good, not great, but very good. That's a good instrument platform to start from.
that's my 2 cents, fwiw
also fwiw, all the tunes up on my soundclick site in my sig were done with P-5.
my sense is the majority of computer musicians break down into two camps: audio focused or acid loop focused, and both of those camps have some use for sequencing, but it's not the primary focus. P-5's focus is relatively narrow on midi editing and works within a particular pattern based model for that. It gives the app a lot of power for speed of composition and putting down ideas. Folk either pick up on that or wonder what the hell it's for.
I don't think too much of the included instruments, so it's no Reason in that regard.
I own and use FLStudio for a drum machine. It's great as a drum machine. For me, the interface really works for that. For midi recording and piano roll and track editing is quirky and awkward. But obviously a lot of people like own it and use it. And part of that is price point and the possibility of audio work.
I recently bought Sonar 3, as much for the Sonitus Suite as any thing else. As I've been working through the manuals, I find almost every shortcoming in P-5 is already working and stretched in Sonar. And I have to admit I got tired of some of the limits of P-5. But my last two projects I've tried to switch over and the things I do a lot are just so much slower in any other host I've tried, I can't even get very far on Rewiring P-5 into Sonar.
I think Cake is in a bind with P-5. They can't undercut their flagship product by including features and they don't have any 'special' instruments of their own they can offer as incentives.
I think Image Line was very smart in making their drums (and their two bass synths) sound so good, not great, but very good. That's a good instrument platform to start from.
that's my 2 cents, fwiw
also fwiw, all the tunes up on my soundclick site in my sig were done with P-5.
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- KVRer
- 7 posts since 3 Aug, 2004 from NorthEast Florida
FLStudio for me. I've "demo'd" a few of the others. I just couldn't get used to the way they worked, so I didn't put much energy into really trying them out. I'm extrememly happy with the value to usability of FLS for the things I ask it to do for me. At some point I may look at the others to see if they have anything to offer me, but I'll probably end up using FLS for life . And as someone else pointed out: Use what works best for you. The outcome of your work is what counts, not how you got it there.
. And as someone else pointed out: Use what works best for you. The outcome of your work is what counts, not how you got it there.-
- KVRist
- 51 posts since 27 Mar, 2002
I have to go with FLStudio to I have been using it 4 years now and it is stable as hell! Very fast and easy to get good results with it and its very pretty to look at! I use it with eXT which combine with fruity is the most fun and productive way to make music I have ever seen. I also own Oplat but use it like once everytime it's up dated. I find it very boring cluncky and buggy. Ther has been time I go to open it up and nothing pops up for 5 minutes! I just coundn't get into the P5, too much new shit to learn! Now Sonar3P is where I go for to finalize my songs and audio. Sonar is top notch for the final mix of your songs cause I can link everything Rewire DXi VSTi the works. I'm about to try eXT standalone which may become my new host once I fully understand the sequencer which so far is killer!
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christianmusicmaker christianmusicmaker https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=12152 - KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1670 posts since 1 Feb, 2004 from UK
(I use another soft studio, NOT one of those three) > 11 votes so far puts that in 3rd place, ahead of project 5. I assume most if not all of those votes are for Orion. 
If not which one do you use that is not mentioned in the poll?
FL studio clearly is the most popular soft studio based on this poll *so far* I actually thought Reason would be the top choice with KVR members as it has been around for some time and is very popular.
Very few seem to work without a soft studio as well according to this poll.
Thanks for taking to time to vote and share your views.
91 votes...so far!
If not which one do you use that is not mentioned in the poll?FL studio clearly is the most popular soft studio based on this poll *so far* I actually thought Reason would be the top choice with KVR members as it has been around for some time and is very popular.
Very few seem to work without a soft studio as well according to this poll.
Thanks for taking to time to vote and share your views.
91 votes...so far!