Getting Hive?

[Dasheesh]

OK folks enough about Sylenth and Hive being thin PLEASE! I don't care at all for that synth and I do not find Hive thin so let's go on with other aspects of the topic at hand.

I'm sorry buddy but Hive was marketed as a competitor to sylenth and a cross between sylenth and a virus so it seems folks have a right to compare on an Internet forum. Especially when the developer of the synth in question is obviously trying to hit the mark with that crowd. I agree that most of that crowd don't know what they want or why they don't like it though. Just repeating without specifics.

[ghettosynth]

OK folks enough about Sylenth and Hive being thin PLEASE! I don't care at all for that synth and I do not find Hive thin so let's go on with other aspects of the topic at hand.

If you don't like Sylenth, why are you considering Hive? Hive is aimed at that market. You know that it's easy to demo, right?

If you're doing ambient/idm there are surely more interesting choices? If you really want another Uhe synth get Zebra. It's not my thing, but that's not because it's not a powerful synth. Bazille is a real powerhouse, but it's not for everyone, however, it would at least be quite a bit different from what you already have.

[pdxindy]

OK folks enough about Sylenth and Hive being thin PLEASE! I don't care at all for that synth and I do not find Hive thin so let's go on with other aspects of the topic at hand.

Well there aren't really a lot of aspects. The OP wants to know if Hive will add anything to the synths he already has. This is all subjective. Personally, I think it does if for no other reason than it sounds different than the synths he already has. Whether or not that's enough for the OP, who knows? That's up to him. Nobody can make that decision for him.

He is the OP...

And only he can decide... Hive surprised me cause I didn't expect to like it all that much when it was announced, but it is so fast and easy to do all sorts of stuff. The speed and fluidity of use is a feature in itself.

[keel]

IMO, it sounds much too metallic and harsh to really be a competitor for Sylenth1 specific EDM sounds.

Metallic, not to me. Serum is sounding metallic. I would say that Hive sound is soft, laidback and little lifless. Which give it that thin sound. Sound of typical digital software synth.

[Dasheesh]

Here again, and I will say this for the last time and then boot this thread, Cause I've said all that needs to be said. You have to separate character and quality in the software world and here's exactly why. Hive has more artifacts. It's character is much more alive, ballsy, analog. It's deeper and more organic. But it's quality can be destroyed under pressure. Sylenth has had stripped all the character out of the voice and left ONLY the uber clean quality. Which holds under pressure.

[Soarer]

Hey Dasheesh I like what you say about quality and character and I do look for character in a synth.

If you're doing ambient/idm there are surely more interesting choices?

There very well could be. Just not quite sure if it would be good forum behavior to bring in other synths now that I opened the topic with Hive...

Ok here we go - I want to check VPS Avenger since it was mentioned here. I'll install it today. I have previously used Nave for WT stuff and prefer it over Omnisphere since it IMO has more character. I don't want to compare it to Hive, but I did mention Omnisphere 2 earlier and I'm curious if it would be a better choice or not.

[chk071]

Here again, and I will say this for the last time and then boot this thread, Cause I've said all that needs to be said. You have to separate character and quality in the software world and here's exactly why. Hive has more artifacts. It's character is much more alive, ballsy, analog. It's deeper and more organic. But it's quality can be destroyed under pressure. Sylenth has had stripped all the character out of the voice and left ONLY the uber clean quality. Which holds under pressure.

Mh... yeah... well... no... not really.

[spunkmuffin]

...I stopped buying synths for personal use a long time ago. Today, they're just a means to an ends...making sound libraries.

Aside from buying synths to simply make libraries, when I buy a synth for a personal reason, I listen to it. If I like the way it sounds, I get it.

Um...

[ghettosynth]

Hey Dasheesh I like what you say about quality and character and I do look for character in a synth.

If you're doing ambient/idm there are surely more interesting choices?

There very well could be. Just not quite sure if it would be good forum behavior to bring in other synths now that I opened the topic with Hive...

Ok here we go - I want to check VPS Avenger since it was mentioned here. I'll install it today. I have previously used Nave for WT stuff and prefer it over Omnisphere since it IMO has more character. I don't want to compare it to Hive, but I did mention Omnisphere 2 earlier and I'm curious if it would be a better choice or not.

Why not? This is the instruments forum, you started the thread, just edit the title if you want to communicate that you wish to broaden the topic. Or don't, the forum police aren't going to come along and get their panties in a wad because the topic shifted a bit.

[Soarer]

[wagtunes]

Hey Dasheesh I like what you say about quality and character and I do look for character in a synth.

If you're doing ambient/idm there are surely more interesting choices?

There very well could be. Just not quite sure if it would be good forum behavior to bring in other synths now that I opened the topic with Hive...

Ok here we go - I want to check VPS Avenger since it was mentioned here. I'll install it today. I have previously used Nave for WT stuff and prefer it over Omnisphere since it IMO has more character. I don't want to compare it to Hive, but I did mention Omnisphere 2 earlier and I'm curious if it would be a better choice or not.

I am honestly trying to help you as much as I can. What exactly is it that you're looking for people to say? What's the magic word or words that will make the light bulb come on in your head and make you go "Thanks! That's it! I will now get/not get Hive."???

Technically, Omnisphere is the only synth you will probably ever need. The only thing it doesn't really do is piano, bass and some other traditional acoustic instruments. It's not built for that. But as far as synths go, it covers everything. It does supersaw. You have the EDM bank. You hear that it can cover that genre. It can do ambient. It can do old school. The sound quality is superb. Hell, for $500 it better be.

So technically, you don't need anything else. Does Hive REALLY add anything to that significant enough to justify the expense? IMO, no. Not on a technical level.

Now, you want something that "technically" adds something to Omnisphere? Bazille. It does things that Omnisphere can't do. It is a great compliment to it, filling in that niche.

And then there are synths where the tone is so radically different from Omnisphere that they deserve mention such as Repro-1.

But technically, do you REALLY need anything other than Omnisphere to make music? No, not at all.

Now, if you want something that covers a crap ton of ground, get Reaktor 6. But be prepared to go down a rabbit hole that you may never get out of.

As for Avenger, which I have and love, it doesn't really add anything significantly different to Omnisphere. It doesn't sound like Omnisphere, but generically speaking, it's nothing special. It's a good all around workhorse synth that can cover a lot of ground, just like Omnisphere can.

But here's the most important part. You have ears. Use them. Listen to the synths. What you hear is pretty much what you're going to get. Unless you're a wiz bang programmer, you're probably not going to get much more out of a synth than what the demos show off. That makes things very easy for me. I listen to a synth. If I like the way it sounds I get it. If I don't like the way it sounds, I don't get it. Don't make it more complicated than that and you won't have to come here asking if this synth or that synth will add anything to what you already have. Your own soul will tell you that much after listening to the synth.

Look, I checked out that stupid $50 Sunrizer thing. I didn't expect much. But then I heard that warm, lush sound and fell in love with this cheap $50 synth. And you know what's funny? It's my 19th best selling library. I never would have expected it.

Again, listen to the synth. If you like it, get it. If not, don't get it.

If you keep it THAT simple, this whole process becomes a piece of cake.

Hope this helps.

[spunkmuffin]

Why not? This is the instruments forum, you started the thread, just edit the title if you want to communicate that you wish to broaden the topic. Or don't, the forum police aren't going to come along and get their panties in a wad because the topic shifted a bit.

So the forum moderators wear panties...yeah right.

[wagtunes]

...I stopped buying synths for personal use a long time ago. Today, they're just a means to an ends...making sound libraries.

Aside from buying synths to simply make libraries, when I buy a synth for a personal reason, I listen to it. If I like the way it sounds, I get it.

Um...

There's nothing confusing about this. I buy synths to make libraries. IF I buy a synth for personal use (which these days is almost non existent) I buy it if I like the sound.

I honestly don't remember the last synth I bought for personal use, which I guess in a way is kind of sad. But if I did, that's the criteria I use. If I like the way it sounds, I get it.

It's that simple.

[Soarer]

Well thanks for your help Wagtunes. Not sure I'll go "Hey that's THE synth I was looking for" at anytime here but I don't post that much here and I find it interesting to hear users opinions. It's all giving me some ideas. Everyone is free to chime in if they have something to say, right?

[wagtunes]

Well thanks for your help Wagtunes. Not sure I'll go "Hey that's THE synth I was looking for" at anytime here but I don't post that much here and I find it interesting to hear users opinions. It's all giving me some ideas. Everyone is free to chime in if they have something to say, right?

Here's what I've found from personal experience using synths for over 40 years. Ultimately, regardless of what anyone says, I end up making the decision based on what I feel.

Now, when I've asked people to recommend me a specific synth (like modular, or granular, or wave table) then at least the choices are narrowed down. Only a few synths get mentioned and then I can choose from the list based on the specs and how the demo sounds. But I don't let other people's "Man this synth sounds amazing" influence my decision making at all because all these opinions on how good a synth "sounds" are purely subjective. But what I can do is weed out the synths that don't fit my criteria, like when I asked for a modular synth and somebody recommended Diva. How is that modular in any way?

Take everything said here, including my own ramblings, with a grain of salt and ultimately go with your gut.

That's the best advice I can give you.