Tokyo Dawn Records rereleases OD DeEdger

[Heartfeltdawn]

Have we gotten to the point where $100 is too much for a plugin on KVR? If you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't pretend it's some exorbitant price that only pr0 studi0s can justify

This.

[EvilDragon]

Have we gotten to the point where $100 is too much for a plugin on KVR? If you don't like it, don't buy it, but don't pretend it's some exorbitant price that only pr0 studi0s can justify

Agreed.

Once again, this is NOT a TDR plugin. Just uses their framework. It's temporarily hosted by TDR until OD builds his own brand, I think.

[Compyfox]

Holy sh*t-snacks...

The plugin only has a few knobs, just take a screenshot and keep that to 'recall'

If it's being used in a professional mastering studio, the plugin should ofcourse be purchased. But for a hobbyist like myself I don't see the point, the demo will do just fine.

Have to agree. It's sure interesting but beeing a part of the average (rest of us) i can't justify to pay 100€ for "a high specific pro mastering plugin" howsoever.

I'm too crap at mixing to justify spending that much on a subtle plugin, but I like what it does.

I'm only posting to summarize...

If I'm understanding you right, then:

• 100 bucks is way out of your budget (I've been there), but you won't even consider purchasing if the plugin isn't as cheap as 50 bucks - which was a slip up
• you expect developers that previously released "limited freeware versions" (in this case, it's merely a framework collaboration), to still continue releasing freeware versions
• you expect developers to offer something for entry level/hobby users as well and not just the "advanced" people - and that they continue to ALWAYS address these users (or else...)
• since the demo version isn't limited in a way that it would cripple the usability (no noise, no volume drops, no launch amount limitation, no time limitation), you consider it "adjusted" to keep on using the demo version, since you can do the "manual recall" yourself

Summed up, some of you talk about actively/purposely skimming the developer (individual or team - doesn't matter in this case) out of his/their money by admitting "I will exclusively use the demo version until it breaks on me". I mean, you do talk with your wallet alright. You access a legal available demo, yet (plan to) illegally continue to use it without having a proper license.

What - the actual - shite?!
You ungrateful pieces o...


No, sorry - I'm done. This is why we can't have nice things in the first place. I'm sure you lot are using Reaper beyond it's "demo period" as well, and you've been with it since v2. Because "I'm a hobbyist - I can't pay for it - but gimme the goods!"

Honestly - if you don't understand what this thing is doing, or you don't see a real(!) need for it, if you're not even aimed at market wise... Then why being so ignorant and insist "I want to fill up my collection - but this is way too expensive for 'what it does'..."?! (aka: GAS - Gear Acquirement Syndrome)



Triple facepalm doesn't even cut it!

[murnau]

LOL to Compyfox!

[Compyfox]

LOL to Compyfox!

There is nothing to "lol" about - this is actively talking about using software illegally.
In other words - and simplified so that everyone understands it - WAREZ talk!





Also, I just saw this...

So the launch price was reasonable - then it doubled instantly and the only explaination is that oh whoops, well you guys are just too amateur for this professional tool that would be worth thousands of dollars to the right corksniffer - guess that ain't you, cheapo hobbyists. Wake me up when Dave Pensado wants to make a video.

And then after the fully commissioned video Dave Pensado goes right back to using Rennaisance EQ.

The pretense is immense Way to win fans.

The announcement with the sudden price increase is laughable. Sorry where was the professionalism again? Went all into the DSP code probably?

I don't think TDR did themselve a favour with this.. ..especially TDR. Absurd.. Just sayin'..

Sorry to burst your bubble, folks - again!!!

The price announcement was a mishap(!!!). How often has this to be pointed out?! Nothing to do with elitism or something along those lines.

Did you even read what the developer wrote himself? No?
Here is a quote:

hi, i'm jan who developed DeEdger.

...

as others already pointed out, the 50€ price was a mistake that happend at the release - sorry for the confusion. it was never intended to sell for that mentioned price esp. considering the development time & effort that went into it. ...

...but if you feel different, please blame me and not fabien & vlad from Tokyo Dawn Labs, since i decide the price for my products myself, so they are not responsible for that at all.

Reading - is an essential skill these days!

And yes, I do fail on that behalf myself. More often that I'd like to admit, which is why I mostly stay out of discussions these days. But still...

[Reefius]

Since when is using a demo version illegal?

And BTW: I do have a license for Reaper

[murnau]

So what? This guy wasn't professional on launch now his public image have light scratches for some of us. He will get over it or we will get over it.. or.. ..who cares? How one can get upset because of some harmless controversy in this dramatic way is beyond me..

I'm out.. the sun is shining you know?!

[Compyfox]

Since when is using a demo version illegal?

Seriously... do you even READ?!

You were the one "suggesting" to keep on using the demo version since the "legit full version" is not that much of an upgrade.

And BTW: I do have a license for Reaper

Oh, wow... good for you... at least something you have invested in as... let me quote you, "a hobbyist".

So what? This guy wasn't professional on launch now his public image have light scratches for some of us.

Apparently not "so what" - it's such a big of an issue, that the majority of this thread is about whining that the plugin is unadjusted high in price for what it's offering. That it was a slip-up is still being ignored.

He will get over it or we will get over it.. or.. ..who cares?

Apparently enough people to cause an uproar.

How one can get upset because of some harmless controversy in this dramatic way is beyond me..

Oooooh... harmless controversy... so insulting the developer that he's money hungry (and to a certain extend also TDL) and this plugin creation is "nothing special" compared to "what's already out there", with people now chiming in to say "I'll keep on using the slightly limited demo then"...

...sure is a "harmless controversy"

I'm out.. the sun is shining you know?!

Watch out for storms...
(I'm serious on this, btw - still awaiting them over here)

[karumba]

The plugin only has a few knobs, just take a screenshot and keep that to 'recall'

If it's being used in a professional mastering studio, the plugin should ofcourse be purchased. But for a hobbyist like myself I don't see the point, the demo will do just fine.

i'm not a big fan 14-days demo version restrictions. i think its ok, but maybe not perfectly user friendly. so the restrictions of the demo version of DeEdger are therefore a bit different. of course, you could manually recall the settings as a "free-hack", but you need to decide yourself if that is a good thing to not support a product you actually like and therefore use.

btw, i really love reapers licensing model since it believes in honesty. and so do i.

[Reefius]

Someone seems to be having a bad day...

The way I see it is like with other TDR plugins: there's a free (but limited) version and there's the full version (usually named Gentleman's Edition). Nothing wrong with using the free version if I can live with the limitations.

If I really like a piece of software I buy it (if it's reasonably priced, otherwise I go look for alternatives). I've already spent a small fortune on plugins and DAW's, so your accusations about warez are completely out of line.

If they didn't want people to keep using the demo they would have made it time limited or insert silence or noise at regular intervals.

Now quit the elitist attitude please, Compyfox

[karumba]

The announcement with the sudden price increase is laughable. Sorry where was the professionalism again? Went all into the DSP code probably?

what is unprofessional in admitting that we had a problem (with a wrong price in the first few hours after the release) and directly fixing it + saying "sorry" since it was our fault?

[Compyfox]

The way I see it is like with other TDR plugins: there's a free (but limited) version and there's the full version (usually named Gentleman's Edition). Nothing wrong with using the free version if I can live with the limitations.

The thing is, there is no "free version" for DeEdger - it's clearly stated to be a DEMO VERSION.

If I really like a piece of software I buy it (if it's reasonably priced, otherwise I go look for alternatives). I've already spent a small fortune on plugins and DAW's, so your accusations about warez are completely out of line.

No they're not. Let me quote you again:

The plugin only has a few knobs, just take a screenshot and keep that to 'recall'

If it's being used in a professional mastering studio, the plugin should ofcourse be purchased. But for a hobbyist like myself I don't see the point, the demo will do just fine.

Important bits: "just take a screenshot and keep that to 'recall'" with a winky face, and "but for a hobbyist like myself I don't see the point, the demo will do just fine".

Will do just "fine"...

So again, you're talking about actively/purposely evading purchasing a license in order to get access to the legit full version. Because "the demo will do just fine".

Do you not see where there is a problem?!

If they didn't want people to keep using the demo they would have made it time limited or insert silence or noise at regular intervals.

And if they do, people then go apesh*t that the "test version is too crippled - boo hiss, you suck, yadda yadda". Cat bites it's own tail.

Now quit the elitist attitude please, Compyfox

Right...





There is a saying in Germany:
"No matter how you do it, you can't make it right for everyone"

[Reefius]

This is like saying that listening to music on the radio is illegal if you don't buy the songs that are being played

[axembler]

btw, i really love reapers licensing model since it believes in honesty. and so do i.

btw Reaper = 60$
your plugin = 100€

I noticed here and on other forums that most people would buy it for 50$...adapt...you'll earn much more like this

[Soundplex]

This is like saying that listening to music on the radio is illegal if you don't buy the songs that are being played

I think a dev doesn't need to provide a demo version. But of course he does it to promote his product. What kind of limitations the demo version has, is totally under his control. And if he decides to release a fully functional demo with only he save/load limitation, he has to except that customers be (maybe mis-)using it. This is the reason why there are several other demo limitations that can be chosen from (dropouts/noise bursts, time limited, reduced number of parameters, ...).

Using the demo plugin and setting it up everytime manually isn't illegal. But it's just a pita and that's where the dev sees his chance: someone who uses it over a long period gets nagged and finally buys the plugin.

ps. I tested it and it's a nice plugin! But I won't buy it because I don't need it.