Tokyo Dawn Records rereleases OD DeEdger

[Compyfox]

Compyfox, are you in any way afiliated with the developer?

Would that make any significant difference to the discussion at hand?
honest meant question!

So while it is morally certainly questionable it doesn't seem to be illegal to circumvent the demo restriction by noting down the set parameters as has been stated here.

This is not about noting down the settings of the plugin in question for recalling. In fact, TDL (where the OD plugin is currently sold at) made an in-joke (see Hermetech Mastering's post) about this with their release of SlickEQ M in the manual (page 23, Recall Sheet - which I'd love to see for more plugins!) for demo users.

The problem arises, if there are users willing to continue using the plugin in demo form, since there is no "step up to the full version", and even making that opinion public. Then we talk "beyond greyzone territory".


It's basically offering a hand with freeware/barely any demo restrictions, but biting off the whole upper body in the process.

[Reefius]

I love it.

According to the TDR website: "Demo Edition. The demo edition features a true analogue experience, automatic recalls are not possible."

Which appears to suggest that this type of use is encouraged.

According to Compy you're a pirate if you use the demo

[Compyfox]

I love it.

According to the TDR website: "Demo Edition. The demo edition features a true analogue experience, automatic recalls are not possible."

Which appears to suggest that this type of use is encouraged.

According to Compyfox you're a pirate if you use the demo

According to you, putting words into my mouth - because the skill properly reading/understanding is difficult in 2017.
(only took 2 pages this time around)

[Reefius]

From the manual:

Many thanks to our beta testing team:
Shane Johnson, Dax Liniere (Puzzle Factory), Dean "nekromachine", Gregg Janman
(Hermetech Mastering), Ilpo Karkainen (Resoundsound), Ilya Orlov, Jeff Rippe
"Nonlinear", Jerry Mateo, Jonas Ekström (Mastertone), Laurent Sevestre
(Maximalsound), Mario "EvilDragon", Mario "susiwong", Miguel Marques (Bender
Mastering Studio), Murray Campbell "Beatworld", Niklas Silen "bmanic", Nil Hartman,
Rich Prewett, Roland Löhlbach "Compyfox" and Vitaly Zolotarev.

I rest my case.

[murnau]

FYI I personally never said i would use it in demo mode as i couldn't care less.

[Compyfox]

From the manual:
...
I rest my case.

Again...

Would that make any significant difference to the discussion at hand?
honest meant question!

Or in fact, any (maybe even similar) discussion for that matter?





Also... take a look at who else is on that list... if you really want to... *cough* "rest your case" and point out "possible bias" (which this is supposed to be, to give you more leverage/prove a point or something?!)

[Burillo]

what case would that be? what is it that you're trying to say by pointing out that he's a beta tester for the plugin?

to Compyfox's point, there's a difference between using a demo to figure out if you like the plugin, and continuing using the demo for the sole purpose of not paying for the plugin. it may not necessarily be illegal per se, but it still makes you an asshole, because you're taking advantage of developers' generosity and abusing his trust.

[murnau]

The biggest a**h**** are still the hypocrites.

[Compyfox]

I should feel honored then?

Cool...

[murnau]

I dunno as it wasn't adressed towards you but if that's the first thought you have in mind i would give it a serious consideration.

Nahh.. just kidding.. ..Please i don't want to open another can of worms.

[urosh]

it may not necessarily be illegal per se.

It can be, depending on licence agreement that user accepted when he/she installed demo. In this particular case, demo licence explicitly allows usage for purposes other than strictly evaluation, but I would not say that's typical.

[JJ_Jettflow]

what case would that be? what is it that you're trying to say by pointing out that he's a beta tester for the plugin?

to Compyfox's point, there's a difference between using a demo to figure out if you like the plugin, and continuing using the demo for the sole purpose of not paying for the plugin. it may not necessarily be illegal per se, but it still makes you an asshole, because you're taking advantage of developers' generosity and abusing his trust.

I think "the case" he is referring to is that many of these long, pointless arguments on KVR are perpetuated by those with a vested intrest....namely beta testers. This is not the first time I have seen where beta-testers come into a topic and start pushing one product over another or standing up for their bosses without letting people know they are in fact affiliates of the company.

[murnau]

it may not necessarily be illegal per se.

It can be, depending on licence agreement that user accepted when he/she installed demo. In this particular case, demo licence explicitly allows usage for purposes other than strictly evaluation, but I would not say that's typical.

Yep, and the developer sure had enough time to think about the pros and cons of the demo licence but still we have beta testers people here who like to drama for nothing. KvR at his best.

[Reefius]

So I tried the demo, I guess that makes me a pirate now

I probably won't even use it in the future. While I like what it does to a mix, I'm not into mastering so I don't really need it.

[Compyfox]

what case would that be? what is it that you're trying to say by pointing out that he's a beta tester for the plugin?

to Compyfox's point, there's a difference between using a demo to figure out if you like the plugin, and continuing using the demo for the sole purpose of not paying for the plugin. it may not necessarily be illegal per se, but it still makes you an asshole, because you're taking advantage of developers' generosity and abusing his trust.

I think "the case" he is referring to is that many of these long, pointless arguments on KVR are perpetuated by those with a vested intrest....namely beta testers. This is not the first time I have seen where beta-testers come into a topic and start pushing one product over another or standing up for their bosses without letting people know they are in fact affiliates of the company.

What about the sock puppets, praising a product that come out of nowhere with every release? Especially with previously unknown companies?

What about those users, that happen to be "knowledged" in a tool weeks after it's initial release (or even after days, since they are just good at handling a tool)? Are they automatically also affiliated and therefore not allowed anymore to critically discuss a topic?



Let's lock and delete audio forums then!

Or write clear rules that "former/current beta testers have to unveil their status, and therefore break NDA's - else they're not allowed on KVR Audio". Just like it's mandatory to point out that you're being "sponsored" for a video on Youtube.

Go on, start a thread in "Site Stuff", I'll join. This is important. Let's make this happen!


[/sarcasm]

I like how my question is being ignored, btw.

So I tried the demo, I guess that makes me a pirate now

"Arrr.... we out to sail to the vast seas, let us hoist our sail and pillage thy audio streams!"

No actually... your comment is just plain downright stupid - and you understood nothing.
But sure, continue to play the sovereign one.

...but still we have beta testers people here who like to drama for nothing. KvR at his best.

"Nun, da sich der Vorhang der Nacht von der Bühne hebt,
kann das Spiel beginnen,
das uns vom Drama einer Kultur berichtet."

Welcome to the show, everyone's a participant...