Tokyo Dawn Records rereleases OD DeEdger

[JJ_Jettflow]

what case would that be? what is it that you're trying to say by pointing out that he's a beta tester for the plugin?

to Compyfox's point, there's a difference between using a demo to figure out if you like the plugin, and continuing using the demo for the sole purpose of not paying for the plugin. it may not necessarily be illegal per se, but it still makes you an asshole, because you're taking advantage of developers' generosity and abusing his trust.

I think "the case" he is referring to is that many of these long, pointless arguments on KVR are perpetuated by those with a vested intrest....namely beta testers. This is not the first time I have seen where beta-testers come into a topic and start pushing one product over another or standing up for their bosses without letting people know they are in fact affiliates of the company.

What about the sock puppets, praising a product that come out of nowhere with every release? Especially with previously unknown companies?

What about those users, that happen to be "knowledged" in a tool weeks after it's initial release (or even after days, since they are just good at handling a tool)? Are they automatically also affiliated and therefore not allowed anymore to critically discuss a topic?



Let's lock and delete audio forums then!

Or write clear rules that "former/current beta testers have to unveil their status, and therefore break NDA's - else they're not allowed on KVR Audio". Just like it's mandatory to point out that you're being "sponsored" for a video on Youtube.

Go on, start a thread in "Site Stuff", I'll join. This is important. Let's make this happen!


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I like how my question is being ignored, btw.

So I tried the demo, I guess that makes me a pirate now

"Arrr.... we out to sail to the vast seas, let us hoist our sail and pillage thy audio streams!"

No actually... your comment is just plain downright stupid - and you understood nothing.
But sure, continue to play the sovereign one.

...but still we have beta testers people here who like to drama for nothing. KvR at his best.

"Nun, da sich der Vorhang der Nacht von der Bühne hebt,
kann das Spiel beginnen,
das uns vom Drama einer Kultur berichtet."

Welcome to the show, everyone's a participant...

Sock puppets? I thought those were beta testers as well.

Yeah I ithink that is a great idea; let people know you have a vested interest in this product. And what does your knowledge of the tool have to do with berating people who don't like the price? Or telling people they are breaking the law using an unrestricted, no-time-limit demo that the company themselves offered?

[urosh]

... people here who like to drama for nothing ...

I would say that Compyfox has merely responded to behavior of some forum members.

KvR at his best.

You're right about that, this thread would be fine example of harassment that indie developers sometimes have to endure on KVR.

[JJ_Jettflow]

... people here who like to drama for nothing ...

I would say that Compyfox has merely responded to behavior of some forum members.

KvR at his best.

You're right about that, this thread would be fine example of harassment that indie developers sometimes have to endure on KVR.

I see it from a different perspective; KVR users being harassed by beta-testers.

[murnau]

... people here who like to drama for nothing ...

I would say that Compyfox has merely responded to behavior of some forum members.

KvR at his best.

You're right about that, this thread would be fine example of harassment that indie developers sometimes have to endure on KVR.

If you can't bear that different people have different sight on certain things better don't participate on public forums.

Harassment? Good joke.

PS. The whole gang of beta testers here in this thread should open an own thread where the ordinary mortal have to stfu.

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[axembler]

... people here who like to drama for nothing ...

I would say that Compyfox has merely responded to behavior of some forum members.

KvR at his best.

You're right about that, this thread would be fine example of harassment that indie developers sometimes have to endure on KVR.

I see it from a different perspective; KVR users being harassed by beta-testers.

+1

[rasmusklump]

So:
after Klanghelm this is the next developer I won't buy anything anymore because of the involvement of a certain loudmouth

[rasmusklump]

I see it from a different perspective; KVR users being harassed by beta-testers.

+1

[urosh]

KVR users being harassed by beta-testers.

Who are other "harassing" beta testers in this thread beside Compyfox?

[murnau]

So:
after Klanghelm this is the next developer I won't buy anything anymore because of the involvement of a certain loudmouth

Sad to hear as Klanghelm have a very reasonable price tag while the plugins are on par with the best. Nothing could detains me from supporting them.

PS. Tony is also very professional when he launch a new product, so far i didn't remember any price confusion.

[Burillo]

what case would that be? what is it that you're trying to say by pointing out that he's a beta tester for the plugin?

to Compyfox's point, there's a difference between using a demo to figure out if you like the plugin, and continuing using the demo for the sole purpose of not paying for the plugin. it may not necessarily be illegal per se, but it still makes you an asshole, because you're taking advantage of developers' generosity and abusing his trust.

I think "the case" he is referring to is that many of these long, pointless arguments on KVR are perpetuated by those with a vested intrest....namely beta testers. This is not the first time I have seen where beta-testers come into a topic and start pushing one product over another or standing up for their bosses without letting people know they are in fact affiliates of the company.

you're being disingenuous.

do you have problems with my and Compyfox's argument? or do you have a problem with Compyfox's argument because he's a beta tester? if it's the former - the fact that he's a beta tester shouldn't even matter, and you bringing it up does not address the substance of his arguments. if it's the latter - then the onus is on you to demonstrate that because Compyfox is a beta tester, he has a vested interest in having this discussion. just saying "he's a beta tester" doesn't provide enough justification to conclude that Compyfox has a vested interest and therefore his opinion/input doesn't matter and his arguments can be disregarded.

moreover, i'm pretty sure TDR aren't Compyfox's boss as he's likely not getting paid for beta-testing - most likely it's some sort of NFR-in-exchange-for-testing arrangement (and Compyfox is known to purchase products he's betatesting, so there may not be even that interest). so whichever way you put it, while Compyfox may have an emotional investment in the product, he sure as hell doesn't have an actual financial interest.

but, as i said, it shouldn't matter. if he's wrong - he's wrong regardless of being a beta tester. if he's correct - he's correct regardless of being a beta tester. if you think there's more to it than that - please give us concrete evidence pointing to the fact that Compyfox isn't just being his usual hyperbolic/pedantic self, but is actually engaging in this discussion with an impure motive.

(you not as in literally you personally, but you as in anyone who is bringing up the fact that Compyfox is a beta tester pretending that this fact makes the argument for them, or strawmanning him)

[JJ_Jettflow]

what case would that be? what is it that you're trying to say by pointing out that he's a beta tester for the plugin?

to Compyfox's point, there's a difference between using a demo to figure out if you like the plugin, and continuing using the demo for the sole purpose of not paying for the plugin. it may not necessarily be illegal per se, but it still makes you an asshole, because you're taking advantage of developers' generosity and abusing his trust.

I think "the case" he is referring to is that many of these long, pointless arguments on KVR are perpetuated by those with a vested intrest....namely beta testers. This is not the first time I have seen where beta-testers come into a topic and start pushing one product over another or standing up for their bosses without letting people know they are in fact affiliates of the company.

you're being disingenuous.

do you have problems with my and Compyfox's argument? or do you have a problem with Compyfox's argument because he's a beta tester? if it's the former - the fact that he's a beta tester shouldn't even matter, and you bringing it up does not address the substance of his arguments. if it's the latter - then the onus is on you to demonstrate that because Compyfox is a beta tester, he has a vested interest in having this discussion. just saying "he's a beta tester" doesn't provide enough justification to conclude that Compyfox has a vested interest and therefore his opinion/input doesn't matter and his arguments can be disregarded.

moreover, i'm pretty sure TDR aren't Compyfox's boss as he's likely not getting paid for beta-testing - most likely it's some sort of NFR-in-exchange-for-testing arrangement (and Compyfox is known to purchase products he's betatesting, so there may not be even that interest). so whichever way you put it, while Compyfox may have an emotional investment in the product, he sure as hell doesn't have an actual financial interest.

but, as i said, it shouldn't matter. if he's wrong - he's wrong regardless of being a beta tester. if he's correct - he's correct regardless of being a beta tester. if you think there's more to it than that - please give us concrete evidence pointing to the fact that Compyfox isn't just being his usual hyperbolic/pedantic self, but is actually engaging in this discussion with an impure motive.

Whether you are paid in cash or products, you are being paid and that will most definitely skew an opinion.

Hers a case;
I went looking for some info on pianos and must have 6 or 7 forums and in every forum, there was the same guy arguing his point that Pianoteq was the best there was. I was swayed enough to try it but not gullible enough to buy it. Then later, I find the guy is a beta tester for Modart....what a surprise.

Sad it once and will say it again, if you are a beta tester, you have a vested interest in the company and the product and you should let people know.

[murnau]

do you have problems with my and Compyfox's argument?

Which arguments? Whats fine for you cannot per se be fine for another individual and vice versa. If you can't deal with it and accidentally you are a beta tester what do you think people should think of your commitment? That it have nothing to do with your attitude here? Seriously?

[Burillo]

Whether you are paid in cash or products, you are being paid and that will most definitely skew an opinion.

Hers a case;
I went looking for some info on pianos and must have 6 or 7 forums and in every forum, there was the same guy arguing his point that Pianoteq was the best there was. I was swayed enough to try it but not gullible enough to buy it. Then later, I find the guy is a beta tester for Modart....what a surprise.

Sad it once and will say it again, if you are a beta tester, you have a vested interest in the company and the product and you should let people know.

again, you're saying "what a surprise" as if the fact that a person is a beta tester should tell me something. it doesn't. just being a beta tester does not automatically imply that you're a shill.

do you have problems with my and Compyfox's argument?

Which arguments? Whats fine for you cannot per se be fine for another individual and vice versa. If you can't deal with it and accidentally you are a beta tester what do you think people should think of your commitment? That it have nothing to do with your attitude here? Seriously?

again, the fact that he's a beta tester does not have any hidden implications that you seem to assume there. he's a beta tester, so what? can you tell me which part of Compyfox's words you disagree with, and why? because apparently, your disagreement is basically "he's a beta tester" and "people have opinions". well, shit!

[murnau]

What do you doing here? Do you think i go through all the posts and pick out certain sentences for you?