Hello!
I'm very new to sampling. Just got my Maschine running. I'm not very happy with the bland samples that came with it. However I've got plenty 120 bpm samples on old cds. But I don't like making music on the standard 120 bpm speed. Either slower or faster.
Somebody said that with bpm of 360 you can use samples of speed 120. Is this correct? Is anyone able to explain the logic behind this?
What lower bpm is then "compatible" with bpm 120 samples?
What about the bars or if you use 8th notes instead of quarter notes, does it make a difference?
best tempo that is compatible with samples of speed 120
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- KVRist
- 85 posts since 13 Dec, 2003 from Finland
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- KVRAF
- 4589 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
Don't know the Machine, but every sampler should be able to time-stretch the samples.
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- KVRAF
- 16828 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
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- KVRian
- 1209 posts since 11 Jan, 2006 from Pittsburgh
360 is 3 times 120. 240 would also work. Slower tempi that will work are 60 and 40 (1/2 &1/3 of 120). Still, most DAWs should be able to stretch/compress the samples, within reason, to a variety of tempi.Algar wrote:Hello!
I'm very new to sampling. Just got my Maschine running. I'm not very happy with the bland samples that came with it. However I've got plenty 120 bpm samples on old cds. But I don't like making music on the standard 120 bpm speed. Either slower or faster.
Somebody said that with bpm of 360 you can use samples of speed 120. Is this correct? Is anyone able to explain the logic behind this?
What lower bpm is then "compatible" with bpm 120 samples?
What about the bars or if you use 8th notes instead of quarter notes, does it make a difference?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 85 posts since 13 Dec, 2003 from Finland
Thanks for the help!
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- KVRAF
- 3508 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
360 wouldn't work without timestretching. You'd end up in strange polyrhythmic territory as the loop would play 1 and a half times (or 0.75 times) per measure. For the loop to fit perfectly, you'd always be looking at doubling the tempo, then doubling it again etc 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x, etc. For slower tempos, you'd want to half and then half again etc.. 1x, 1/2x, 1/4x, 1/8x...
These are extremely drastic tempo shifts however, and if you're playing the loop at the same speed so it fits within the new tempo grid, what was the point of changing the tempo at all?
Your DAW should have timestretching functions built in so you can change tempo by a small amount without destroying the loop too badly. There's always old-school 'tape/vinyl style' repitching where you just play the loop back faster or slower, if timestretching (without changing the pitch) sounds a bit nasty.
These are extremely drastic tempo shifts however, and if you're playing the loop at the same speed so it fits within the new tempo grid, what was the point of changing the tempo at all?
Your DAW should have timestretching functions built in so you can change tempo by a small amount without destroying the loop too badly. There's always old-school 'tape/vinyl style' repitching where you just play the loop back faster or slower, if timestretching (without changing the pitch) sounds a bit nasty.
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- KVRist
- 436 posts since 18 Aug, 2004
Algar you've been on KvR since 2003. Your question is like one of those noob 14 year old kid posts.
I just speed read through your posts and you seem familiar with some decent DAWs and Audio equipment.
I honestly thought this was a troll post.
Nvm. Maschine will auto calculate bpm and auto time stretch samples in loop mode if you want it to.
It can do original tempo in one shot mode if you want it to.
Apparently you have used Samplitude in the past and may well continue to use that. So your not exactly new to sampling now are you ?
Samplitude is an elastic audio beast. Did it not teach you anything ?
OTOH 360 bpm will only really give you a triplet feel, 480 bpm is good for quarter notes whilst 960 bpm is best for that tight eighth note resolution. (Sorry couldn't resist
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Good luck with Maschine it's pretty flexible when it comes to bpm.
I just speed read through your posts and you seem familiar with some decent DAWs and Audio equipment.
I honestly thought this was a troll post.
Nvm. Maschine will auto calculate bpm and auto time stretch samples in loop mode if you want it to.
It can do original tempo in one shot mode if you want it to.
Apparently you have used Samplitude in the past and may well continue to use that. So your not exactly new to sampling now are you ?
Samplitude is an elastic audio beast. Did it not teach you anything ?
OTOH 360 bpm will only really give you a triplet feel, 480 bpm is good for quarter notes whilst 960 bpm is best for that tight eighth note resolution. (Sorry couldn't resist
)Good luck with Maschine it's pretty flexible when it comes to bpm.
Just make the music that you enjoy (failing that go for a walk, watch some porn, have a fight with a random bloke until something else happens).
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 85 posts since 13 Dec, 2003 from Finland
TBH, I've never used a actual sampler in my life. I haven't even really used software samplers. Just maybe touched them. Samplitude is an awesome DAW and I've used it as a DAW. Never used any samplers in it. But because of the constant updates and high price etc. I've started to use Reaper.Redmerkurii wrote:Algar you've been on KvR since 2003. Your question is like one of those noob 14 year old kid posts.
I just speed read through your posts and you seem familiar with some decent DAWs and Audio equipment.
I honestly thought this was a troll post.
Nvm. Maschine will auto calculate bpm and auto time stretch samples in loop mode if you want it to.
It can do original tempo in one shot mode if you want it to.
Apparently you have used Samplitude in the past and may well continue to use that. So your not exactly new to sampling now are you ?
I've had a completely different approach on making music. But I got bored or something. Now I'm approaching an unknown territory.
About the sample cd's, I previously just extracted the files as wav and twisted them without using an sampler. I've not even generated a single loop in my lifetime.
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- KVRist
- 436 posts since 18 Aug, 2004
I wish you well Algar. My initial reply may seem to have been a little caustic. I meant no offence. Thank you for your candid reply.
Sampling is what brought me to music production from it's humble origins. Literally watching it's progress through the 80's as a child from the mighty Fairlight through to the humble yet affordable Casio SK10.
I cut my teeth using a twin tape deck back then (1988) as an improptu sampler of sorts literally cutting up audio into rhythmic audio montages.
Every DAW I've ever used since the time I could afford to buy and use a computer has always been based around this sample centric approach. In fact I owned two hardware samplers before I bought my first computer (2000) which was at that point a seriously aged (12 year old) but very inexpensive Atari STE whose primary use was solely as a sequencer to drive my samplers.
A DAW to me is a sampling sequencer with effects first and foremost, a linear multitrack recorder is merely a secondary function.
Again I wish you well sailing this new uncharted territory.
Sampling is what brought me to music production from it's humble origins. Literally watching it's progress through the 80's as a child from the mighty Fairlight through to the humble yet affordable Casio SK10.
I cut my teeth using a twin tape deck back then (1988) as an improptu sampler of sorts literally cutting up audio into rhythmic audio montages.
Every DAW I've ever used since the time I could afford to buy and use a computer has always been based around this sample centric approach. In fact I owned two hardware samplers before I bought my first computer (2000) which was at that point a seriously aged (12 year old) but very inexpensive Atari STE whose primary use was solely as a sequencer to drive my samplers.
A DAW to me is a sampling sequencer with effects first and foremost, a linear multitrack recorder is merely a secondary function.
Again I wish you well sailing this new uncharted territory.
Just make the music that you enjoy (failing that go for a walk, watch some porn, have a fight with a random bloke until something else happens).